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meganbmoore ([personal profile] meganbmoore) wrote2008-02-16 07:24 pm

Top 26 fictional couples my *personal and private body part*

Entertainment Weekly has put together a list of the 26 best fictional couples out there.

Note to self:  when [profile] fairest1posts one of these things and rants, it should be a warning to you.

(This will, I suspect, be one of those times where my opinion is very different from that of others.)

Let's go down the list, as I encounter them:

1)  Lois and Clark(DC Comics):  You know, they deserve to be on the list, but clearly, the listmaker never bothered to learn A SINGLE BLESSED THING about the relationship.  That, or they had their DC icons confused.  Bruce Wayne in the costume Batman wears, Superman is the costume Clark Kent wears.  If Lois only loved the Superman idea, they'd still be single.  The point is that she looked past the exterior to see that the real guy underneath and fell for him instead of the perfect image.  Please see the fact that she didn't know he was Superman until AFTER years of dating AND ACCEPTING HIS MARRIAGE PROPOSAL!

2)  Romeo and Juliet(Romeo and Juliet):  Have a greater pair of twits ever existed?  They knew each other for 5 minutes before declaring their love...never mind the fact that he was declaring his love for someone else up until that second.  That isn't a great love story, that's a pair of kids with raging hormones who killed themselves because of poor communication.  I possibly cheer when they die.

3)  Kermit and Miss Piggy(Muppets):  Uhm...you know...I think they're fun and all, and I could maybe gor for them on a list of funniest/oddest couples, but one of fiction's best couples?  Uhm...no.

4)  Han and Leia(Star Wars):  At last, something I can agree with.  Though I feel compelled to point out that the relationship evolved over THREE movies, not just the one.

5) Lancelot/Guinevere(legends):  Yeah, you know, most versions of this?  I hate both your guts.  No amount of angsting compensates for the fact that you're cheating on your husband/best friend, who?  Good guy.  I don'ty mind you when you, you know, repress it and live in torture and angst, but when you go for it even a bit?  I root for the burning to succeed.

6) Buffy/Angel(Buffy):  Ok, I'll get things thrown at me here, but honestly, that relied a bit too much on "OMG! Our love is forbidden angst!" for me and wrapped all the forbidden angst around the vampire thing, but in general, I'll agree.  I was more convinced by the evolution of other relationships in the series (including AtS) but they're about as good as it gets for their type of romance.

7) Ross/Rachel(Friends):  Well, they seem ok in the episodes I've seen but honestly, it looked like the broke up and got back together every other episode.  Mostly, they looked like a generic sitcom couple to me.

8) Ron/Hermione(Harry Potter):  Well, all I can really say is that they're cute in the first four movies.  And I will voice no further opinion, like or dislike, out of fear of HP fans.

9) Rick/Ilsa(Casablanca):  If it hadn't been there, there may have been bloodshed.  

10)  Jim/Pam(The Office):  Never seen it.  Never been interested.  The fact that the number of youtube videos they seems to have been a main factor in the coosing (and other choices) doesn't give me faith though.  (Seriously, they COULD be great, but this person gives me no reason to think they are.)

11)   Homer/Marge(The Simpsons):  Uhm...I loathe their kid with every fiber of my being and while Marge seems ok in the episodes I've forced myself to watch, Homer annoys me.

12) Robin Hood and Maid Marian(legends):  Well, they occasionally get cruddy representation, but on the whole, I agree.  I figure there's enough good ones to cancel out Prince of Thieves and that awful one with Uma Thurman where I wanted to kill them both.

13) Aragorn/Arwen(LOTR)  Hrm...I like a lot, but in both the books and movies, it feels more epic legend than real story/relationship.  I mean, it works well for me, but...

14) Carrie/Mr. Big(Sex and the City):  Never been able to force myself to watch a full ep, but when the person nominating them basically says there's one sole redeeming moment, I have my doubts.

15) Rhett/Scarlett(Gone With the Wind):  Charming manslut.  Uppity, demanding priss.  If she had bought a clue before the last minute or he hadn't thought slutting around was a good way to prove he meant it when he said he loved her, I may have bought it.

16) Heathcliff/Clair(The Cosby Show):  Honestly, I only vaguely recall one or two episodes, so I got nothing.

17)  Apollo/Midnighter(The Authority):  Uhm...ok, never been interested in the book, but...shouldn't there be more to it than "because they're canonically gay?"  Like...a reason the characters work well together?  Something about the story itself beyond both being male?  I mean, I know the fans have more than "because they're gay" in why they like them, but shouldn't there be a better explanation than that when including them on a "greatest couples" list?

18) Luke/Laura(General Hospital):  Here, let's go over the part they left out:  She was a teenager and married to someone else and he was twice her age and her boss and she rejected him AND HE PUSHED HER DOWN ON THE FLOOR OF HIS BAR AND HE RAPED HER.  Oh, yes, THE PERFECT START TO A LOVE STORY.

19) Lucy/Ricky(I Love Lucy):  Honestly, I've seen maybe 5 episodes, and not since high school.  I got nothin'.

20) Elizabeth/Mr. Darcy(Pride and Prejudice)  I prefer Margaret and Mr. Thornton for the relationship type, but they get a thimbs up from me.

21) Annie/Alvy(Annie Hall):  Never heard of it until today.  Like...ever.

22) Mickey/Minnie(Disney)  Erm...see Kermit/Miss Piggy, I think.

23) Gaius/Six(BSG)  Uhm...I guess I stopped watching too soon...is there a Six who WASN'T an evil cylon who tricked him into helping to wipe out most of the human race, and then became a figment of his imagination?

24) Tony/Carmella(The Sopranos):  Never seen it.  Never wanted to.  But considering that anyrime I've heard of them, it's been in the context of him cheating, and hey, the list person mentions that's nonstop...well, I doubt I'd agree if I had.

25) Jack/Ennis(Brokeback Mountain):  Better job than in the The Authority entry, but this is another in the "Never saw, never cared to" entry.  (And for an amusing note:  It was NOT billed as what it was here, but as a generic but "touching and epic" western, with no mention of...well...gay cowboys.  Amazingly boring previews on TV of...landscape and voiceovers and a couple closeups.  Though telling my father what it was about when he asked if I knew was fun.)

26) Tony/Maria(West Side Story):  Again, been ages since I saw it, but from what I recall, Romeo and Juliet if they had brains and knew each other for more than five minutes.

[identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
I can't even get through the list: in a world of myrian choices this is the best they could come up with? It looks like someone just couldn't even be bothered to think for more than 2 seconds and just went through all the couples they knew of.

[identity profile] fmanalyst.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
I'm definitely a supporter of Cliff and Claire Huxtable, and I'm actually rather surprised that you're not familiar with Annie Hall.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
If I ever heard of it, it was with no context whatsoever.

[identity profile] fmanalyst.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 04:12 am (UTC)(link)
Annie Hall is arguably Woody Allen's best film -- 70s era singles in New York City. It launched Diane Keaton's career.

[identity profile] kingcrankycat.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
-- 23) Gaius/Six(BSG) Uhm...I guess I stopped watching too soon...is there a Six who WASN'T an evil cylon who tricked him into helping to wipe out most of the human race, and then became a figment of his imagination?

No, but there was a Six who felt remorse for her actions and had a figment-of-her-imagination Gaius sitting on her shoulder every step of the way.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
Naturally, this makes the inclusion even more mystifying to me. A great love story means figments of your imagination are you love interest?

[identity profile] southerndave.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
"Aragorn/Arwen(LOTR) Hrm...I like a lot, but in both the books and movies, it feels more epic legend than real story/relationship. I mean, it works well for me, but..."

Beren/LĂșthien (The Silmarillion) comprehensively outclasses Aragorn/Arwen though... in the books, at least, Arwen's just there and, while she's supportive of Aragorn, doesn't do anything much. LĂșthien, on the other hand, rescues Beren when he gets himself captured; she and Beren work as a team to give Morgoth the fright of his life; basically, she kicks butt.

I read, years ago, an article (on line, somewhere,) spelling this out in great detail. Wish I hadn't lost the link...

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that's pretty much my opinion of Arwen/Aragorn...the only really difference with Arwen in the movie is that we just...see her more, aside from her introduction.

[identity profile] southerndave.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 07:22 am (UTC)(link)
And I don't know too much about too many of the other couples on your list... but the Simpsons' Homer and Marge? Gah. The Addams Family's Gomez and Morticia comprehensively outclass the former pairing in every conceivable way.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 07:29 am (UTC)(link)
I wholeheartedly agree. If for no other reason than that I don't loathe any of their kids or want to strangle one of them.

[identity profile] fairest1.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 03:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Mmm, yeah. More passion, more devotion, and Gomez never took Morticia for granted and then had to make up for it.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Gomez practically worshipped Morticia. Plus, they have cool kids.

[identity profile] fairest1.livejournal.com 2008-02-18 03:33 am (UTC)(link)
Thinking about it, they're actually a very functional family. They may not fit in with the rest of the world, but even the extended family is close-knit and loving. They encourage their children to be polite and do well in school (there's that line in the movie where Morticia is explaining the horrid past of the woman Wednesday most admired and wanted to imitate . . . "But we told Wednesday, 'College first'." There's no stupid misunderstandings between them, and it's quite clear Wednesday and Pugsly have a better grasp of sex ed than other children.

[identity profile] southerndave.livejournal.com 2008-02-18 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
I'd totally agree with that... It's always struck me that the Addams family are one of the healthiest family units in sitcoms. The husband and wife don't spend all their time going around each other's backs, trying to out-manoeuvre each other, backbiting or trying to teach each other Lessons. The comedy is all in the culture shock between their bizarre lifestyle and "normality".

They've also got a healthier relationship with their extended family as well; it's not just "Mum, Dad and the kids" alone together...

[identity profile] cassiopeajelly.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 04:17 am (UTC)(link)
I just wanted to chime in and say that your comments on Romeo and Juliet are so spot on in my opinion. I don't know why everyone treats that as some great romance, I guess some people get so caught up with the star-crossed lovers thing that they miss the actual plot. This is really an odd list in many ways.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
A lot of the "great love stories" are big because of the TYPE of story they are,not the story they are. Romeo and Juliet isn't the firt of it's kind, but it's a known and easily accessible one.

[identity profile] hecatesknickers.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
Re: Gaius/Six

The whole relationship is wacky, but there are other Six models involved further into the series, and the original basis for Head!Six isn't really all that evil; she's one of the few that shows remorse and tries to rebel against her programing.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 06:08 am (UTC)(link)
Ok, that is a bit of a step in the right direction.

[identity profile] laura-holt-pi.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 05:29 am (UTC)(link)
I agree entirely about Romeo and Juliet. As far as I'm concerned, dying for love (or, as you point out, teenage hormones) is nature's way of ridding the gene pool of the sappy and stupid.

Rhett and Scarlett are as romantic as domestic violence.

Lois and Clark I just feel contempt for. How well do you know a chap if you never notice that he'd be a dead ringer for Superman if he took his glasses off?

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 05:43 am (UTC)(link)
I don't hold that against Lois as it's true of his best friends, childhood friends, editor and supposedly a reporter better than Lois and Clark combined(though it's debatable if he doesn't know or is playing along) and really, everyone in that universe.

That's the perfect summary for Rhett and Scarlett.

There are just...so many, many better couples out there...
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 05:33 am (UTC)(link)
I ship Gaius and Six, but I'm aware that they're not exactly epic love.

Apollo and Midnighter are fun. I haven't read a whole lot of them, but they do amuse me.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 05:39 am (UTC)(link)
To be honest, from the entry, I have doubts that the person has SEEN most of these...

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 07:15 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, whoever did this was on crack most of the time. *shakes head*

Han/Leia and Rick/Isla was the one ones were I went "hell, yeah."

And as much as I enjoyed Arwen and Aragon, she has one line in the actual trilogy. One. Freaking. Line. THAT is why he should have gone with Eowyn - she ran off, dressed like a man, and went to war.

And if anyone one Battlestar Galactica deserves to be on that list, it was President Roslin and Admiral Adama - not only an excellent relationship between two adults who are sometimes allies, sometimes adversaries, but always respect each other, but also the one relationship that the writes didn't screw up.

Their first kiss just about broke my heart.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 07:24 am (UTC)(link)
One person has voiced the theory that the person who made the list wandered around the office for a few minutes asking for suggestions, then put up whatever they were told. Considering that one relationship begins with a man raping his employee, another, by their own description, has a single redeeming moment amid bastardry, and another seems to be based on the number of youtube videos devoted to the couple, I tend to agree with them.

I've always thought that the reason they increased Arwen's role in the movies was so that we wouldn't go "wtf? Why are you mooning over the elf girl?" quite as much when Eowyn showed up. The movies needed to be clearer that Eowyn ended up happy.

I only watched a bit of BSG, but the hints about Roslin/Adama and Boomer/Helo(I know the story there, even though I didn't make it far) were the only things I could see myself getting behind.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2008-02-18 05:01 am (UTC)(link)

One person has voiced the theory that the person who made the list wandered around the office for a few minutes asking for suggestions, then put up whatever they were told. Considering that one relationship begins with a man raping his employee, another, by their own description, has a single redeeming moment amid bastardry, and another seems to be based on the number of youtube videos devoted to the couple, I tend to agree with them.


That's just about the only reasonable explaination for some of those choices.

I've always thought that the reason they increased Arwen's role in the movies was so that we wouldn't go "wtf? Why are you mooning over the elf girl?" quite as much when Eowyn showed up. The movies needed to be clearer that Eowyn ended up happy.

I loved what they did with Arwen in the movie (but the way the told it, she had that role in the book, and nothing could be further from the choice.) And yes, I was SO sad that we didn't get more of Eowyn's story. She and her romance were so, so awesome, and one of my favorite parts of those books.

[identity profile] wistfulmemory.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 12:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I have hated Romeo and Juliet ever since high school when we had to read it in Freshman English. My teacher unfortunately thought I'd be the perfect person to read Juliet's part. Grr...I was completely deadpan during the huge romantic window confession scene (which actually made the scene funny when the guy reading the part of Romeo started mimicking me), and it wasn't until she was killing herself that I was able to get into the part.

I don't see how people can see this as a romantic love story. It's two young teenagers (he's 14, she's 13) who know each other for five days (and for half of that time are apart from each other and/or think the other person is dead). It's not a great love story; it's a story about infatuation.

I did see a performance of the play that made me appreciate how the story could be liked when performed by very talented actors.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
It's one of those where I can(when done right) understand the appeal of the story TYPE, but not so much the specific story.

[identity profile] fivil.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Romeo&Juliet is a love story I think every culture has; when you break it down, it's not romantic and there's no great reason why it's considered as highly as it is, apart from the fact it's been adopted into the language in itself, and thus is a part of everybody's cultural experience as the ultimate romance.

Though I feel compelled to point out that the relationship evolved over THREE movies, not just the one.
Yeah, I think it's fine to ship Luke/Leia as there are hints of it in the first two but I hate it when people say Han/Leia at the beginning of EHB is a massive WTF. It made sense to me, there were enough hints in ANH.

Jim/Pam might be good but pales in comparison with the British original Office's Tim/Dawn, who were one of those couples that even people who normally don't give a crap about ships in anything rooted for passionately to get together in the end.

Anyway, I think they got different people from the editing team to pick their favourites which is probably why the list has a very miscellanous feel.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)
And there are SO MANY BETTER VERSIONS of the Romeo and Juliet story type...

Star Wars starts out indicating that it's just going to go the standard route of the farmboy hero and beautiful princess with the roguish sidekick on the sidelines...and then completely turns it on its head in that regard. It's part of why it works.

I honestly think it really was just someone wandering around the office, asking for suggestions.

[identity profile] miss-dian.livejournal.com 2008-02-18 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm. My fave OTP of the moment is Dam Duk / Sujini from The Legend (k-drama). Really Megan, you HAVE to watch this awesomeness! :D

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-02-18 04:21 am (UTC)(link)
Everyone seems to think I don't plan to...