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Top 26 fictional couples my *personal and private body part*
Entertainment Weekly has put together a list of the 26 best fictional couples out there.
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(This will, I suspect, be one of those times where my opinion is very different from that of others.)
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(This will, I suspect, be one of those times where my opinion is very different from that of others.)
Let's go down the list, as I encounter them:
1) Lois and Clark(DC Comics): You know, they deserve to be on the list, but clearly, the listmaker never bothered to learn A SINGLE BLESSED THING about the relationship. That, or they had their DC icons confused. Bruce Wayne in the costume Batman wears, Superman is the costume Clark Kent wears. If Lois only loved the Superman idea, they'd still be single. The point is that she looked past the exterior to see that the real guy underneath and fell for him instead of the perfect image. Please see the fact that she didn't know he was Superman until AFTER years of dating AND ACCEPTING HIS MARRIAGE PROPOSAL!
2) Romeo and Juliet(Romeo and Juliet): Have a greater pair of twits ever existed? They knew each other for 5 minutes before declaring their love...never mind the fact that he was declaring his love for someone else up until that second. That isn't a great love story, that's a pair of kids with raging hormones who killed themselves because of poor communication. I possibly cheer when they die.
3) Kermit and Miss Piggy(Muppets): Uhm...you know...I think they're fun and all, and I could maybe gor for them on a list of funniest/oddest couples, but one of fiction's best couples? Uhm...no.
4) Han and Leia(Star Wars): At last, something I can agree with. Though I feel compelled to point out that the relationship evolved over THREE movies, not just the one.
5) Lancelot/Guinevere(legends): Yeah, you know, most versions of this? I hate both your guts. No amount of angsting compensates for the fact that you're cheating on your husband/best friend, who? Good guy. I don'ty mind you when you, you know, repress it and live in torture and angst, but when you go for it even a bit? I root for the burning to succeed.
6) Buffy/Angel(Buffy): Ok, I'll get things thrown at me here, but honestly, that relied a bit too much on "OMG! Our love is forbidden angst!" for me and wrapped all the forbidden angst around the vampire thing, but in general, I'll agree. I was more convinced by the evolution of other relationships in the series (including AtS) but they're about as good as it gets for their type of romance.
7) Ross/Rachel(Friends): Well, they seem ok in the episodes I've seen but honestly, it looked like the broke up and got back together every other episode. Mostly, they looked like a generic sitcom couple to me.
8) Ron/Hermione(Harry Potter): Well, all I can really say is that they're cute in the first four movies. And I will voice no further opinion, like or dislike, out of fear of HP fans.
9) Rick/Ilsa(Casablanca): If it hadn't been there, there may have been bloodshed.
10) Jim/Pam(The Office): Never seen it. Never been interested. The fact that the number of youtube videos they seems to have been a main factor in the coosing (and other choices) doesn't give me faith though. (Seriously, they COULD be great, but this person gives me no reason to think they are.)
11) Homer/Marge(The Simpsons): Uhm...I loathe their kid with every fiber of my being and while Marge seems ok in the episodes I've forced myself to watch, Homer annoys me.
12) Robin Hood and Maid Marian(legends): Well, they occasionally get cruddy representation, but on the whole, I agree. I figure there's enough good ones to cancel out Prince of Thieves and that awful one with Uma Thurman where I wanted to kill them both.
13) Aragorn/Arwen(LOTR) Hrm...I like a lot, but in both the books and movies, it feels more epic legend than real story/relationship. I mean, it works well for me, but...
14) Carrie/Mr. Big(Sex and the City): Never been able to force myself to watch a full ep, but when the person nominating them basically says there's one sole redeeming moment, I have my doubts.
15) Rhett/Scarlett(Gone With the Wind): Charming manslut. Uppity, demanding priss. If she had bought a clue before the last minute or he hadn't thought slutting around was a good way to prove he meant it when he said he loved her, I may have bought it.
16) Heathcliff/Clair(The Cosby Show): Honestly, I only vaguely recall one or two episodes, so I got nothing.
17) Apollo/Midnighter(The Authority): Uhm...ok, never been interested in the book, but...shouldn't there be more to it than "because they're canonically gay?" Like...a reason the characters work well together? Something about the story itself beyond both being male? I mean, I know the fans have more than "because they're gay" in why they like them, but shouldn't there be a better explanation than that when including them on a "greatest couples" list?
18) Luke/Laura(General Hospital): Here, let's go over the part they left out: She was a teenager and married to someone else and he was twice her age and her boss and she rejected him AND HE PUSHED HER DOWN ON THE FLOOR OF HIS BAR AND HE RAPED HER. Oh, yes, THE PERFECT START TO A LOVE STORY.
19) Lucy/Ricky(I Love Lucy): Honestly, I've seen maybe 5 episodes, and not since high school. I got nothin'.
20) Elizabeth/Mr. Darcy(Pride and Prejudice) I prefer Margaret and Mr. Thornton for the relationship type, but they get a thimbs up from me.
21) Annie/Alvy(Annie Hall): Never heard of it until today. Like...ever.
22) Mickey/Minnie(Disney) Erm...see Kermit/Miss Piggy, I think.
23) Gaius/Six(BSG) Uhm...I guess I stopped watching too soon...is there a Six who WASN'T an evil cylon who tricked him into helping to wipe out most of the human race, and then became a figment of his imagination?
24) Tony/Carmella(The Sopranos): Never seen it. Never wanted to. But considering that anyrime I've heard of them, it's been in the context of him cheating, and hey, the list person mentions that's nonstop...well, I doubt I'd agree if I had.
25) Jack/Ennis(Brokeback Mountain): Better job than in the The Authority entry, but this is another in the "Never saw, never cared to" entry. (And for an amusing note: It was NOT billed as what it was here, but as a generic but "touching and epic" western, with no mention of...well...gay cowboys. Amazingly boring previews on TV of...landscape and voiceovers and a couple closeups. Though telling my father what it was about when he asked if I knew was fun.)
26) Tony/Maria(West Side Story): Again, been ages since I saw it, but from what I recall, Romeo and Juliet if they had brains and knew each other for more than five minutes.
1) Lois and Clark(DC Comics): You know, they deserve to be on the list, but clearly, the listmaker never bothered to learn A SINGLE BLESSED THING about the relationship. That, or they had their DC icons confused. Bruce Wayne in the costume Batman wears, Superman is the costume Clark Kent wears. If Lois only loved the Superman idea, they'd still be single. The point is that she looked past the exterior to see that the real guy underneath and fell for him instead of the perfect image. Please see the fact that she didn't know he was Superman until AFTER years of dating AND ACCEPTING HIS MARRIAGE PROPOSAL!
2) Romeo and Juliet(Romeo and Juliet): Have a greater pair of twits ever existed? They knew each other for 5 minutes before declaring their love...never mind the fact that he was declaring his love for someone else up until that second. That isn't a great love story, that's a pair of kids with raging hormones who killed themselves because of poor communication. I possibly cheer when they die.
3) Kermit and Miss Piggy(Muppets): Uhm...you know...I think they're fun and all, and I could maybe gor for them on a list of funniest/oddest couples, but one of fiction's best couples? Uhm...no.
4) Han and Leia(Star Wars): At last, something I can agree with. Though I feel compelled to point out that the relationship evolved over THREE movies, not just the one.
5) Lancelot/Guinevere(legends): Yeah, you know, most versions of this? I hate both your guts. No amount of angsting compensates for the fact that you're cheating on your husband/best friend, who? Good guy. I don'ty mind you when you, you know, repress it and live in torture and angst, but when you go for it even a bit? I root for the burning to succeed.
6) Buffy/Angel(Buffy): Ok, I'll get things thrown at me here, but honestly, that relied a bit too much on "OMG! Our love is forbidden angst!" for me and wrapped all the forbidden angst around the vampire thing, but in general, I'll agree. I was more convinced by the evolution of other relationships in the series (including AtS) but they're about as good as it gets for their type of romance.
7) Ross/Rachel(Friends): Well, they seem ok in the episodes I've seen but honestly, it looked like the broke up and got back together every other episode. Mostly, they looked like a generic sitcom couple to me.
8) Ron/Hermione(Harry Potter): Well, all I can really say is that they're cute in the first four movies. And I will voice no further opinion, like or dislike, out of fear of HP fans.
9) Rick/Ilsa(Casablanca): If it hadn't been there, there may have been bloodshed.
10) Jim/Pam(The Office): Never seen it. Never been interested. The fact that the number of youtube videos they seems to have been a main factor in the coosing (and other choices) doesn't give me faith though. (Seriously, they COULD be great, but this person gives me no reason to think they are.)
11) Homer/Marge(The Simpsons): Uhm...I loathe their kid with every fiber of my being and while Marge seems ok in the episodes I've forced myself to watch, Homer annoys me.
12) Robin Hood and Maid Marian(legends): Well, they occasionally get cruddy representation, but on the whole, I agree. I figure there's enough good ones to cancel out Prince of Thieves and that awful one with Uma Thurman where I wanted to kill them both.
13) Aragorn/Arwen(LOTR) Hrm...I like a lot, but in both the books and movies, it feels more epic legend than real story/relationship. I mean, it works well for me, but...
14) Carrie/Mr. Big(Sex and the City): Never been able to force myself to watch a full ep, but when the person nominating them basically says there's one sole redeeming moment, I have my doubts.
15) Rhett/Scarlett(Gone With the Wind): Charming manslut. Uppity, demanding priss. If she had bought a clue before the last minute or he hadn't thought slutting around was a good way to prove he meant it when he said he loved her, I may have bought it.
16) Heathcliff/Clair(The Cosby Show): Honestly, I only vaguely recall one or two episodes, so I got nothing.
17) Apollo/Midnighter(The Authority): Uhm...ok, never been interested in the book, but...shouldn't there be more to it than "because they're canonically gay?" Like...a reason the characters work well together? Something about the story itself beyond both being male? I mean, I know the fans have more than "because they're gay" in why they like them, but shouldn't there be a better explanation than that when including them on a "greatest couples" list?
18) Luke/Laura(General Hospital): Here, let's go over the part they left out: She was a teenager and married to someone else and he was twice her age and her boss and she rejected him AND HE PUSHED HER DOWN ON THE FLOOR OF HIS BAR AND HE RAPED HER. Oh, yes, THE PERFECT START TO A LOVE STORY.
19) Lucy/Ricky(I Love Lucy): Honestly, I've seen maybe 5 episodes, and not since high school. I got nothin'.
20) Elizabeth/Mr. Darcy(Pride and Prejudice) I prefer Margaret and Mr. Thornton for the relationship type, but they get a thimbs up from me.
21) Annie/Alvy(Annie Hall): Never heard of it until today. Like...ever.
22) Mickey/Minnie(Disney) Erm...see Kermit/Miss Piggy, I think.
23) Gaius/Six(BSG) Uhm...I guess I stopped watching too soon...is there a Six who WASN'T an evil cylon who tricked him into helping to wipe out most of the human race, and then became a figment of his imagination?
24) Tony/Carmella(The Sopranos): Never seen it. Never wanted to. But considering that anyrime I've heard of them, it's been in the context of him cheating, and hey, the list person mentions that's nonstop...well, I doubt I'd agree if I had.
25) Jack/Ennis(Brokeback Mountain): Better job than in the The Authority entry, but this is another in the "Never saw, never cared to" entry. (And for an amusing note: It was NOT billed as what it was here, but as a generic but "touching and epic" western, with no mention of...well...gay cowboys. Amazingly boring previews on TV of...landscape and voiceovers and a couple closeups. Though telling my father what it was about when he asked if I knew was fun.)
26) Tony/Maria(West Side Story): Again, been ages since I saw it, but from what I recall, Romeo and Juliet if they had brains and knew each other for more than five minutes.
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No, but there was a Six who felt remorse for her actions and had a figment-of-her-imagination Gaius sitting on her shoulder every step of the way.
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Beren/LĂșthien (The Silmarillion) comprehensively outclasses Aragorn/Arwen though... in the books, at least, Arwen's just there and, while she's supportive of Aragorn, doesn't do anything much. LĂșthien, on the other hand, rescues Beren when he gets himself captured; she and Beren work as a team to give Morgoth the fright of his life; basically, she kicks butt.
I read, years ago, an article (on line, somewhere,) spelling this out in great detail. Wish I hadn't lost the link...
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They've also got a healthier relationship with their extended family as well; it's not just "Mum, Dad and the kids" alone together...
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The whole relationship is wacky, but there are other Six models involved further into the series, and the original basis for Head!Six isn't really all that evil; she's one of the few that shows remorse and tries to rebel against her programing.
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Rhett and Scarlett are as romantic as domestic violence.
Lois and Clark I just feel contempt for. How well do you know a chap if you never notice that he'd be a dead ringer for Superman if he took his glasses off?
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That's the perfect summary for Rhett and Scarlett.
There are just...so many, many better couples out there...
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Apollo and Midnighter are fun. I haven't read a whole lot of them, but they do amuse me.
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Han/Leia and Rick/Isla was the one ones were I went "hell, yeah."
And as much as I enjoyed Arwen and Aragon, she has one line in the actual trilogy. One. Freaking. Line. THAT is why he should have gone with Eowyn - she ran off, dressed like a man, and went to war.
And if anyone one Battlestar Galactica deserves to be on that list, it was President Roslin and Admiral Adama - not only an excellent relationship between two adults who are sometimes allies, sometimes adversaries, but always respect each other, but also the one relationship that the writes didn't screw up.
Their first kiss just about broke my heart.
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I've always thought that the reason they increased Arwen's role in the movies was so that we wouldn't go "wtf? Why are you mooning over the elf girl?" quite as much when Eowyn showed up. The movies needed to be clearer that Eowyn ended up happy.
I only watched a bit of BSG, but the hints about Roslin/Adama and Boomer/Helo(I know the story there, even though I didn't make it far) were the only things I could see myself getting behind.
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One person has voiced the theory that the person who made the list wandered around the office for a few minutes asking for suggestions, then put up whatever they were told. Considering that one relationship begins with a man raping his employee, another, by their own description, has a single redeeming moment amid bastardry, and another seems to be based on the number of youtube videos devoted to the couple, I tend to agree with them.
That's just about the only reasonable explaination for some of those choices.
I've always thought that the reason they increased Arwen's role in the movies was so that we wouldn't go "wtf? Why are you mooning over the elf girl?" quite as much when Eowyn showed up. The movies needed to be clearer that Eowyn ended up happy.
I loved what they did with Arwen in the movie (but the way the told it, she had that role in the book, and nothing could be further from the choice.) And yes, I was SO sad that we didn't get more of Eowyn's story. She and her romance were so, so awesome, and one of my favorite parts of those books.
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I don't see how people can see this as a romantic love story. It's two young teenagers (he's 14, she's 13) who know each other for five days (and for half of that time are apart from each other and/or think the other person is dead). It's not a great love story; it's a story about infatuation.
I did see a performance of the play that made me appreciate how the story could be liked when performed by very talented actors.
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Though I feel compelled to point out that the relationship evolved over THREE movies, not just the one.
Yeah, I think it's fine to ship Luke/Leia as there are hints of it in the first two but I hate it when people say Han/Leia at the beginning of EHB is a massive WTF. It made sense to me, there were enough hints in ANH.
Jim/Pam might be good but pales in comparison with the British original Office's Tim/Dawn, who were one of those couples that even people who normally don't give a crap about ships in anything rooted for passionately to get together in the end.
Anyway, I think they got different people from the editing team to pick their favourites which is probably why the list has a very miscellanous feel.
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Star Wars starts out indicating that it's just going to go the standard route of the farmboy hero and beautiful princess with the roguish sidekick on the sidelines...and then completely turns it on its head in that regard. It's part of why it works.
I honestly think it really was just someone wandering around the office, asking for suggestions.
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