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meganbmoore ([personal profile] meganbmoore) wrote2008-04-28 06:07 pm
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Dragonsbane by Barbara Hambly

Ten years ago, John Aversin, Lord of Alyn Hold, slew a dragon with the aid of his lover, the witch Jenny Waynest, making him the only living dragonslayer.  When a new dragon attacks the kingdom, a young scholar named Gareth sets off to find him, claiming to be sent by the king to summon John to the capital.  What Gareth finds, though, crushes most of his dreams.  Far from being a tall, handsome knight in a majestic keep, John is an average, bespactacled, affable scholar who works in the dirt, and Alyn Hold is a dumpy little village.  Just as bad, John doesn't have a proper lady as a mistress or a wife, but rather a short, frank witch who lives just outside of town.  His dreams, they are crushed! Shattered!  This isn't right!  Woe!  Thankfully, a few close calls snap him out of that, and soon Gareth is learning that not stepping out of a ballad doesn't make a person any less heroic, and that it's often better to fight smart than to worship the rules of chivalry.

Instead of being all about the dragonhunting, the dragonhunting takes a backseat to the court intrigues, Gareth's growing past his youthful ideals, and Jenny's continued struggle between her love for John and their sons, and her love for magic.  The book hits a lot of my kinks, but primarily the clash between practical reality and heroic ideals,  without bashing the heroic ideals, or mocking the person who has them, and also with featuring an old married couple as the leads.  Ok, they're neither old now married, but they've been together for over a decade and have two kids, ok?  I love fiction that portrays an actual couple as interesting and as still having problems, romantic or otherwise, and getting through them, and have never understood this mass conviction that people turn boring once they've gotten together and settled down.  It's no accident that Zoe and Wash are my favorite part of Firefly, or that Raven's Strike and Raven's Shadow(featuring a married couple with teens who tag along with their mother who sets off to tear the world apart when some fool abducts her husband) are my favorite Patricia Briggs books.

Anyway, I have now read and liked the three Barbara Hambly books I was specifically recced, but have been warned not to blindly get her books, as she's apparently of uneven quality.  Anyone want to rec more?

[identity profile] fmanalyst.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
The trilogy of hers that I liked consists of The Ladies of Mandrigyn, The Witches of Wenshar, and The Dark Hand of Magic. It's about a mercenary who discovers in midlife that he has a talent for magic and that his rather butch female lieutenant is his kind of woman after all, rather than the girlish camp follower he had been with.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
That does sound rather fun.
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[identity profile] estara.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
I second that recommendation. And if you like these you might like the Sword-Series by Jennifer Roberson, which has a similar dynamic between male and female hero.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 06:21 am (UTC)(link)
I think I've asked about those before. Isn't the series a long one?
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[identity profile] estara.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 03:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Not really, you're confusing that series with the Cheysuli one, which is twelve books and multiple generations.

The Sword series is as long as the Wolf Blood series, i.e. six books and it always has the same hero and heroine (the hero tells the story from his point of view), a male sword dancer named Tiger, born in the desert (think Arabian patriarchy and 1001 nights) who while he is the best at what he does (think Wolverine) used to be a slave and can actually accept that other fighters might be better than him (not that he doesn't get turned on by the fact that it's a woman who turns out to be better than him). He meets Del (I think it was Delilah) from the frozen North (think Viking culture) who came to the South to rescue her brother and has some very weird deals going on with her sword (as in magic). The first three books basically deal with them getting together, getting thrown into horrible situations and getting out of them because of Del's quest.
The next three books go after the mysterious background of Tiger and how he gets out off becoming a god/Messiah to a large amount of people.

Sword-Dancer, Sword-Singer, Sword-Maker, Sword-Breaker, Sword-Born and Sword-Sworn.

Hmm, I guess it's one more than the Lindskold after all. Still they've less pages. I'm not sure if you can get them anymore as the first one came out in 1986.

They're really good in the getting together and yet always being surprised by your love-interest way and the adventures are not too shabby either. I personally think they are her strongest books (except maybe for her Robin Hood retellings).
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[identity profile] estara.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 03:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Never mind me, I can't count. 6 = 6 :P

[identity profile] southerndave.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 07:37 am (UTC)(link)
I also second this recommendation.

I was lucky enough to meet Barbara Hambly at a science fiction convention up in Dunedin back in... 1994, I think. She really got into the party atmosphere (this was a convention of about 200 people, tops, and was held in a hotel building) and the big highlight was after the official convention finished, a dozen or so of us sloped off to the pub on the ground floor; she tracked us down and gave us a reading of a short story she'd had sold but which hadn't been published yet. Afterwards, she told us about the events that inspired The Ladies of Mandrigyn, and while it was interesting, what was most interesting was that "Mandrigyn" is pronounced completely differently than I'd imagined it would be: she pronounced it something like "MAN-dra-jin".

As for uneven quality... I think the issue is more that she writes so many different sorts of stories that there's bound to be some that Just Aren't Someone's Thing, more than being actively bad. I've only read about a dozen of her books, though...

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 08:02 am (UTC)(link)
I think the ones I've been warned off of are largely sequels, which I kinda get. Not even having read the sequels, I'm kinda horrified by the idea of a sequel to Dragonsbane, since it comes to full closure, and the same largely goes for Silicon Mage/Silent Tower(though I can see a little more room there.)

And it's always great when authors(and other celeb types) remember that they're normal people.
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[identity profile] desdenova.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
I recently read _The Silent Tower_, and thought it was dead boring. I recommend avoiding that one (& its sequel).

_A Free Man of Color_ (not SFF, historical mystery) is good in the "well-written" sense, but is way depressing.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
Heh...Silent Tower and Silicon Mage(sequel) are the other two I read and liked, actually.

What's A free Man of Color about?
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[identity profile] desdenova.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
It's a murder mystery set in antebellum New Orleans, with a free black protagonist. I don't remember much of the plot; it was pretty standard detective fare. What sticks with me is Hambly's depiction of the setting, which is brutal in its complete lack of sugar-coating.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I really haven't found Hambly's writing to be inconsistant. And I second the rec for "A Free Man of Color". The depiction of that world is stunning.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
*notes*
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[personal profile] havocthecat 2008-04-29 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, I'm even MORE glad you and I started talking the other day (and I'm behind on comments, so I have to get back to you still, I know), because you like the same kinds of books as me! And you want to talk about them!

I loved Dragonsbane. Loved it so much. But I read the sequel and it was a morass of depression and woe. I won't ever read anything more in that universe; only the first one exists to me.

I've read the first Raven book, but not the second, but anything that author (whose name escapes me atm) writes is on my to-read list.

What other Barbara Hambly have you read?

I've enjoyed Julie E. Czerneda (for science fiction) in the past, and am about to re-read and see if her books hold up on a second reading. I also have The Mageborn Traitor by Melanie Rawn. I'm curious to see how it will be. (I'm also concurrently making my way through jPod by Douglas Coupland, Anansi Boys by Neil Gaiman, and a history of the golden age of piracy that's in the car so I can't check out the title or author right now.)

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
I have been warned to never in 10000 years touch the sequel, so I won't This clearly doesn't NEED a sequel.

I am odd in that, even before the Unfortunate Plot Point in the Mercy books, I prefer Brgg's high fantasy to the Mercy books, though those are how I "met" her.

The other Hamblys I've read are Silent Tower and Silicon Mage.

Is the Rawn book part of the Exiles series? If so, I liked the first 2 books, but don't think I've ever seen the 3rd in the trilogy. I haven't read Czerneda, but like Gaiman. Haven't read Anansi boys yet, though.

[identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
Recs:

The Ladies of Mandrigyn. The first book is excellent: feminist but shonenish. I'm pretty sure it would be up your alley. The two sequels aren't as good, but still fun and don't take the shine off the first.

The Time of the Dark, The Walls of the Air, The Armies of Daylight. Similar to the Antryg/Joanna books; also wonderful. There are two sequels, which... hmmm... I like Mother of Winter, but most people don't. It's very dark. Icefalcon's Quest should be skipped; it has some great characters but is really dark and depressing.

Crossroads is a Star Trek (original) novel which I like quite a bit. It's dark. Her other media tie-ins are forgettable.

Those Who Hunt the Night, Traveling With The Dead. Very good gaslight Victorian vampire novels. Clever and unsentimental.

Dog Wizard is a sequel to the Antryg/Joanna books. It's got some good bits but not up to the first two. Stranger at the Wedding is peripherally related. It's good, mostly light but the villain is extremely creepy.

Her mysteries are depressing for historical reasons.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 06:13 am (UTC)(link)
"The first book is excellent: feminist but shonenish. I'm pretty sure it would be up your alley."

Not too predictable, am I?

"The Time of the Dark, The Walls of the Air, The Armies of Daylight. Similar to the Antryg/Joanna books; "

What are these ones about?

I'm not big on vampires these days, but I do like Victorian and gaslight. The mysteries sound good, but also heavy and depressing. (I MIGHT actually have A Free Man of Color somewhere in the booksale boxes.)

Time of the Dark

[identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 06:18 am (UTC)(link)
A medieval history grad student and motorcycle rider get sucked into a fantasy world where they battle an invasion of flying Cthuloid monsters. It's got lovely romances, excellent characterization, very good action, and some unusual plot turns. It's also just very smart. Historical research plays a key part in the plot.

Re: Time of the Dark

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 06:20 am (UTC)(link)
The important question is: does he(she?) take the motorcycle along?

Re: Time of the Dark

[identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 06:27 am (UTC)(link)
Sadly, he does not.

Re: Time of the Dark

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-04-29 06:31 am (UTC)(link)
Now, that? That is tragic. Such a wasted opportunity. Then again, he'd run out of gas before long anyway and just have to drag it along with him...