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meganbmoore ([personal profile] meganbmoore) wrote2008-07-08 07:06 pm
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The Wizard Hunters by Martha Wells

Set around 30 years after The Death of the Necromancer, The Wizard Hunters begins with our heroine, Tremaine Valiarde, trying to think of a way to kill herself. But she can’t just die any way, it has to look like an accident. Being raised by an emotionally distant (I believe Tremaine refers to him as “emotionally dead” at one point) master criminal and an opium addicted mage apparently has an interesting affect on people.

The plot of this is almost a straight pulp adventure retold as fantasy. In an Ile-Rien that resembles 1920s-30s Europe, Tremaine, the daughter of the anti-heroes of DotN is a playwright who seems ill-suited to be the heir to such adventurous (and amoral) people, and is something of a flighty (and rich) playwright. Even though she has no magic herself, she does have a sphere that seems to have magical powers, and which eventually causes Tremaine and her friends to be transported to another world, which they soon learn is the home of the Gardier, a force that is invading Ile-Rien. There, Tremaine begins to suspect that her father, Nicholas, and uncle, Arisilde, may not actually be dead.

The plot can be repetitive-people are regularly being captured and rescued, and then off to rescue someone else-but that’s fairly fitting for the pulp adventures it seems to be loosely based on, and Tremaine herself is great fun. In theory, I really like characters who come from adventurous, sometimes notorious, families, but who aren’t cut from the same cloth and don’t really want that life for themselves, but often the character comes off as whiny, and you don’t get why they don’t appreciate their family more. Thankfully, that isn’t the case with Tremaine, who fluctuates between the nice, flighty artist and the ruthless adventurer with a morbid sense of humor. I mean, really, who would want to grow up to be Nicholas? For that matter, who can blame someone who was raised by Nicholas for growing up to be a bit batty? The man probably arranged for bad things to happen to boys who pulled her hair when she was five. Tremaine’s friends are also quite fun. I’m especially fond of Ilias. Granted, he’s not much more than Tremaine’s muscle so far, but he’s her very effective muscle who lets her know when she’s starting to get a little too caught up in the whole adventuring thing.

I find that I like the memory of Nicholas as the vengeful husband and over-protective father more than I like Nicholas himself. If it makes sense, I probably would have liked him more if I’d read DotN after the Fall of Ile-Rien trilogy, but I probably would have been lost here without it. 
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[personal profile] chomiji 2008-07-09 01:29 pm (UTC)(link)


What, Ilias' tormented background wasn't angsty enough for you? And how about his brotherly relationship with Giliead? (Not to mention the immortal line about Ixion: "Ixion alive had been bad enough. Ixion, dead, headless and really, really annoyed was unimaginably worse ... .") Wells really does love to bring The Snark.



I'm glad you're enjoying this! I can never understand why an author like Wells languishes unbought, while so many pieces of crap - or at best, plastic - sell like hot cakes and get good reviews. (Stand by - if I can make myself finish reading it - for a prime example ... .)


[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-07-09 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Ilias's angsty past is properly appealling, but I'm afraid it's hard to top the lead when she opens the book trying to think of a way to kill herself and make it look like an accident. (And his angsty past is also kinda common.)

No idea who Stand is by, or what it is...
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[personal profile] chomiji 2008-07-09 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)


Ooops, that wasn't meant to be a title. It was an order, so to speak - "Just hang in there, and eventually I'll fill you in on this book, which is a great example of what I mean." The book in question is The Lies of Locke Lamora, but I was trying to be cagey - clearly a big mistake.



I didn't think that Ilias' backstory was any kind of record-breaker for angst, but I liked it, and it gives him (and Giliead) more character.



In puzzling over the book's relative lack of popularity, I find myself wondering whether people just don't find Tremaine sympathetic enough because she's so down-to-earth about her problems - "Hey, I can't stand my life, so I'm going to do something about it, but I gotta make sure it doesn't backfire on anyone else" - rather than angsting on about them.


[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-07-09 04:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm...I really liked Locke Lamora, but I think that, like Melusine, the narrative structure there is either going to suck you in, or make you think it's a ploy at being "interesting." I admit, though, that it didn't really click for me until a certain point. But there's plenty of truly, genuinely bad stuff out there that's massively popular, or stuff that's generic that's hugely popular. And let's face it, nothing tops Eragon in "how could anyone think this is good?"

Wells's book tend to be kind of an odd mishmash of things. The Ile-Rien books tend to be clear send ups to certain storytypes-Element of Fire is a swashbuckler, Death of the Necromancer a gothic revenge, and Wizard Hunters 1930s pulpy adventure-but then take them out of their normal elements and add magic and technology that's out of place to the story normally. For me, it's why I like them, so far, and helps with the sometimes convoluted and rambly plots, but I think the odd combinations are offputting for some.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2008-07-11 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I first discovered The Wizard Hunters by linking hoping to a post on the author's lj where she was talking about how her publishes didn't know what to do with Tremaine since she was neither a strong, stoic warrior women with a soft heart nor a typically emotional female. She made choices and then other people had to deal, and someone else pointed out that the only female character like that on tv (was) Veronica Mars.

So, I think you have a damn good point about people not realizing how awesome she is.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-07-11 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
i've been meaning to ask who that icon is, and what it's from...

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2008-07-11 04:17 am (UTC)(link)
That is Keira Knightly from a Vanity Fair photo shoot, and the tag was my summation of Tremaine when I did my huge, ideal casting of the movie on my lj.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-07-11 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
Ah.

I may have to steal the icon, if I may.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2008-07-11 04:26 am (UTC)(link)
You may. It's by [livejournal.com profile] posionjest, and if you could also put 'made for redbrunja' in the comments, you'd fulfil my possessive nature. ^_^

[identity profile] sienamystic.livejournal.com 2008-07-09 05:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I think Wells is great fun, and I have an unholy love for Element of Fire as well as a great fondness for Death of the Necromancer. I enjoy the Tremaine books, but there's something about them that keeps me at a bit of a distance. I've actually been pondering a reread so I could figure it out.

I really liked Locke Lamora as well, for what it's worth - but don't have much of an interest in reading the next book in the series.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-07-09 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Element of Fire is great swashbuckling fun, and Necromancer is really good for its storytype, it just has a hero who isn't vbery likable, but that's probably deliberate.

The thing about Locke Lamora is that, when you finish, you just don't see what the point of a sequel would be.

[identity profile] sienamystic.livejournal.com 2008-07-09 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Which is funny, because I have a vague memory of reading the author's LJ and hearing that he had the idea of stretching out the books not just into a series, but into a really, really long series. And...well, I really like Lynch's flair for dialogue, so I'd probably read for that, but I'm not sure about it all.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-07-09 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Didn't know he had an LJ.

Sometimes, I think, authors tend to get attached to a character and not realize they need to just leave them be after their one send off, or make them too prominent so that they start taking over the story(see: lots of shounen manga) or are blind to their faults (see: ERAGON.)

While I don't really object to reading more about Locke and Jean, I'd rather read more about the city than them in another place.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2008-07-11 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, man, I love the Wizard Hunters. I actually read the trilogy before I read death of a necromancer, which I liked much less.

But I adore Tremaine, and how even though she's neither a mage nor a warrior, she is clearly in control.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-07-11 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
And so very, very frank. And clueless in certain regards. Not that she's alone.

*currently finishing up the 3rd*

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2008-07-11 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
That's what makes her awesome. I will forever love the scene where she and Ilias get engaged, and some of the fall out from that, because it's priceless.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-07-11 04:19 am (UTC)(link)
And her perceived romantic rival is biggest on the "why do they have no brains?"