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meganbmoore) wrote2009-03-20 10:33 am
And so cherished childhood memories wither up.
George Lucas on Marion ravenwood.
G — He’s thirty-five, and he knew her ten years ago when he was twenty-five and she was only twelve. It would be amusing to make her slightly young at the time.
S — And promiscuous. She came onto him.
G — Fifteen is right on the edge. I know it’s an outrageous idea, but it is interesting. Once she’s sixteen or seventeen it’s not interesting anymore. But if she was fifteen and he was twenty-five and they actually had an affair the last time they met. And she was madly in love with him and he…
I...what? Women who come on to men are promiscuous-especially if they're young teenagers, and statutory rape is more interesting the younger the minor is?
Am I the only one who took Indy and Marion's exchange in Raiders of the Lost Arc as their ages probably being around 25~ and 17-18? Young enough for him to be robbing the cradle and probably taking advantage of a schoolgirl crush, but old enough to be convinced that she had at least some idea of what she was getting in to?
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WWWWHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY must certain creators actually open their mouths?
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But ELEVEN? Eleven-year-olds, dude? I can only imagine Harrison Ford's response on the plane ride over...
Harrison: So the Marion thing, she was, what, seventeen, eighteen, young enough for it to be kinda skeevy, but not gross--
George: She was eleven.
Harrison: ...
George: And she came on to you.
Harrison: GET OFF MY PLANE!
Of course, the best part is when they discuss the bar scene and George Lucas is all "no, he's a role model, he can't even THINK about stealing the medallion." Stealing something in the interests of national security, WRONG. Having sex with an eleven-year-old? INTERESTING!
It's like, this is George Lucas slaughtering Tusken Raiders, and nowadays he's gone over to the Dark Side and killed younglings.
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(In all seriousness. . .o_O I heard about this, but I wish I hadn't. I choose to just completely pretend it never happened.)
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As always in things like this, I'm reminded of how I'll probably never read Harry Potter because of an article I read where Rowling said she didn't know she was writing fantasy until someone told her she was. NONE of the possible interpretations make it come across any better.
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I wish people who don't like my genre would just quit writing it, instead of writing it and then acting like not being a fan of it or respecting it made their stuff better.
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http://www.journalfen.net/users/waltraute/4244.html
...actually reading that part is quite fun ^^
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I'd likely be incredibly skeeved out by that if I first saw it now, but it's one of those things that I saw so much before I started to really be aware of race in terms of representation and stereotyping that my awareness of the problems can't quite overpower the fond childhood memories. Though, if there were statements to the effect of "we thought it would make the secret kingdom more interesting if we made them evil, brainwashing child abusers, and Indy looks even better when he's able to overcome thier evil brainwashing ways. And it's always fun when the love interest is shallow and petty." it could likely shock me out of that.
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Am I the only one who took Indy and Marion's exchange in Raiders of the Lost Arc as their ages probably being around 25~ and 17-18?
Yes, that was always how I interpreted that exchange--one of those 'probably not a good idea' occurrences, but not nearly as skeevy as what Lucas et al were suggesting.
Like some people mentioned in that comment thread, it's hard to tell how serious everyone was in that conference, but even if they weren't the attitude displayed is just...eugh. (And if they were serious, this is one of those cases where you have to shove the 'official word of the creators' into non-canon, because otherwise it's so wrong and squicky it cuts the legs out from the entire story.)
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It is hard to tell what's seerious and what isn't, but even if they were joking, the fact that they though it was cute to equate teenaged girls making romantic overtures with promiscuity (Because she came on to ONE GUY, who she presumably knew well and idolized?) and the "greater" the statutory rape, the better? Just as bad as if it's in complete seriousness.
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Where's that sarcasm symbol...
Oh there it is.
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"But he's hot!" (often accompanied with "and angsty!") supposedly erases the flaws of most popular characters I hate. (Though I don't actually hate Guy or Indy.)
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Real or otherwise, the personalities involved do just as much as the physical features in determining hotness, IMO. For example, Topher is Dollhouse is technically good looking. But the personality involved makes him almost creepifyingly unhot.
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The worst part is that, watching the film unbiased, you think that, over the years, she's become someone able to hold her own against him, but reading this, no matter how "jokingly" comments were meant, you realize that the people writing it didn't see things that way.
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I could accept "Indy made a mistake but doesn't really regret it because he's an anti-hero even though the rest of us can understand what it's wrong". I mean, it's not any better, but it is what it is.
It's the "oh yeah, she's 11! That's totally edgy and amusing!" that squicks me out. It is not okay to think it's okay, you know?
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I've hated George Lucas with increasing ferocity since 1997 (when the "improved" Star Wars movies came out) and this is like firebombing a forest fire. So I can parse Lucas being a reprehensible scum-eating slime-puke... but Spielberg too? That doesn't enrage me, exactly. It makes me... I don't know... feel really hollow and hurt inside. I expect better of him. A lot better. He doesn't seem quite as into the idea as Lucas, but still... his comments cannot be excused.
Wasn't the fourth "Indiana Jones" movie enough to severely damage my love of the IP? Why now this as well? :(
It just makes me feel so... ick... :\
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Sometimes, I try to kill George Lucas with my brain. Often, it fails. Sigh.
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Sadly, I think we will still fail. :\
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George Lucas can just stop talking forever now thanks.
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