From wikipedia, underlining mine.
In this story, Red Sonja lived with her family in a humble house in the Western Hyrkanian steppes (modern Ukraine/Russia). When she had just turned 17 years old, a group of mercenaries killed her family and burned down their house. Sonja survived but she had been brutally raped by the leader of the group, leaving her in shame. Answering her cry for revenge, the red goddess Scathach appeared to her, and instilled in her incredible skill in the handling of swords and other weapons on the condition that she would never lie with a man unless he defeated her in fair combat.
So, this character has always interested me, though I've never stayed interested for long in anything about her. At least partly because I look at her outfit and cringe in an "OMG THAT HAS TO HURT!" way.
Anyway, I have two schools of thought on the character.
1) Though not the first of the sort, she probably has a lot to do with action heroines becoming more prominent. Even more, with action heroines who could actually beat the guys and save themselves, not girls with swords who weren't actually much good.
2) Also even though she wasn't the first of the sort, she's a very well known contributor to the "a strong woman will be raped for invading a man's world, or she had to be raped to become strong" trope.
With Red Sonja, the trope is taken even farther by saying she'll only ever be with a man who can defeat her in battle. In other words, she'll only have sex with a man who recreates the most traumatic event in her life, to at least some degree.
Interestingly, from wikipedia's page, this is an aspect of her character that became more and more exaggerated in terms of how her strength was tied into sexuality and sexual trauma (look at the "possible prototypes" section of the wikipedia page...from woman fleeing abusive father who learns to fight to a skilled but temperamental swordswoman to the version above) with each incarnation, with the best known version being the one defined by sexual trauma that resulted in her being gifted with skills by a goddess.
Wikipedia page.
TVTropes page.
scans_daily's tag with various comic book versions.
So, opinions? Given the context of when she was created(Robert Howard's Red Sonya appeared in 1934, with the better known version-with the spelling change-appearing in comics in 1973) and female character types at the time, do you think she helps or hurts the portrayal of the "strong female character" as a warrior archetype? As she remains a relative constant in comic books, and I think even has a new movie in the works, should these parts of the character remain the same, or change with the times (or revert to the original, less known versions)?
ETA: Ran out of time before work.
One of the things I've noticed is that while most people don't seem to know many details about the character off the top of their heads, she's one of those where there's a "vague cultural awareness." A character people can't remember much about, but who they know is one of the old fantasy heroines with a sword, or Conan's girlfriend with the metal bikini. Even though people may not always be aware of it, there seems to be some automatic connection to something like the "idea" of Red Sonja when people think of fantasy heroines and swordswomen.
In this story, Red Sonja lived with her family in a humble house in the Western Hyrkanian steppes (modern Ukraine/Russia). When she had just turned 17 years old, a group of mercenaries killed her family and burned down their house. Sonja survived but she had been brutally raped by the leader of the group, leaving her in shame. Answering her cry for revenge, the red goddess Scathach appeared to her, and instilled in her incredible skill in the handling of swords and other weapons on the condition that she would never lie with a man unless he defeated her in fair combat.
So, this character has always interested me, though I've never stayed interested for long in anything about her. At least partly because I look at her outfit and cringe in an "OMG THAT HAS TO HURT!" way.
Anyway, I have two schools of thought on the character.
1) Though not the first of the sort, she probably has a lot to do with action heroines becoming more prominent. Even more, with action heroines who could actually beat the guys and save themselves, not girls with swords who weren't actually much good.
2) Also even though she wasn't the first of the sort, she's a very well known contributor to the "a strong woman will be raped for invading a man's world, or she had to be raped to become strong" trope.
With Red Sonja, the trope is taken even farther by saying she'll only ever be with a man who can defeat her in battle. In other words, she'll only have sex with a man who recreates the most traumatic event in her life, to at least some degree.
Interestingly, from wikipedia's page, this is an aspect of her character that became more and more exaggerated in terms of how her strength was tied into sexuality and sexual trauma (look at the "possible prototypes" section of the wikipedia page...from woman fleeing abusive father who learns to fight to a skilled but temperamental swordswoman to the version above) with each incarnation, with the best known version being the one defined by sexual trauma that resulted in her being gifted with skills by a goddess.
Wikipedia page.
TVTropes page.
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So, opinions? Given the context of when she was created(Robert Howard's Red Sonya appeared in 1934, with the better known version-with the spelling change-appearing in comics in 1973) and female character types at the time, do you think she helps or hurts the portrayal of the "strong female character" as a warrior archetype? As she remains a relative constant in comic books, and I think even has a new movie in the works, should these parts of the character remain the same, or change with the times (or revert to the original, less known versions)?
ETA: Ran out of time before work.
One of the things I've noticed is that while most people don't seem to know many details about the character off the top of their heads, she's one of those where there's a "vague cultural awareness." A character people can't remember much about, but who they know is one of the old fantasy heroines with a sword, or Conan's girlfriend with the metal bikini. Even though people may not always be aware of it, there seems to be some automatic connection to something like the "idea" of Red Sonja when people think of fantasy heroines and swordswomen.