Yep, the very same! Actually he's a very popular character, so I really don't have much to complain about as far as bashing goes, he was just the one that popped into my head because it was some of the most recent I could think of.
I think a lot of it is that, in many places on the net, it's considered taboo to say anything negative about male characters, but "in" to find fault with female characters.
See, I don't really think that's the case in my experience. If anything, bashing of male characters is treated as perfectly natural, but bashing of female characters? It MUST be because you're terribly jealous of them--and how insulting is it to accuse a real person of being jealous of a fictional one?
Take for example, well, I don't know if you watch Code Geass, but the widespread bashing of Suzaku (unfortunately my favorite character) is so constant and so vicious that I've eventually just had to limit my participation in that fandom to babbling about the Arthurian legend references. Suzaku is handsome, and very, very physically fit--almost the super soldier type.
No one EVER accuses his bashers of "hating him because he's a guy" or "being jealous" or "because he steals your favorite away from you"--even though their reasons can be just as ridiculous as "I hate his face". There is an undercurrent of reverse-sexism when it comes to "bashing bashers" that is very disturbing to watch sometimes. Even if you hate a character for stupid reasons that doesn't mean you're jealous, ugly, or stupid. We're talking about fictional characters here. As much as I love Suzaku, it would be absurd for me to try to paint everyone that loathes him as stupid.
No character is universally likeable. Fans of BOTH genders--man, there is a lot of Sakura-bashing males out there, and the most vicious Rukia/Oroihime bashing I've seen is inevitably done by guys--tend to be harder on those that hesitate, are hypocritical, seem weak, or "useless", regardless of how fascinating they might be.
barring the shoujo romance ones who just...really don't seem to have a brain or a spine and just seem to be there to worship the guy.
That's what turns me off of shounen manga, actually. Most of what I read is shoujo and a lot of times it's because I love the heroines. I hate watching the heroine have no purpose aside from "main cheerleader/kidnapping bait", which seems to usually happen in shounen series. At least in shoujo, the heroine is important.
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Date: 2008-04-29 10:40 pm (UTC)Yep, the very same! Actually he's a very popular character, so I really don't have much to complain about as far as bashing goes, he was just the one that popped into my head because it was some of the most recent I could think of.
I think a lot of it is that, in many places on the net, it's considered taboo to say anything negative about male characters, but "in" to find fault with female characters.
See, I don't really think that's the case in my experience. If anything, bashing of male characters is treated as perfectly natural, but bashing of female characters? It MUST be because you're terribly jealous of them--and how insulting is it to accuse a real person of being jealous of a fictional one?
Take for example, well, I don't know if you watch Code Geass, but the widespread bashing of Suzaku (unfortunately my favorite character) is so constant and so vicious that I've eventually just had to limit my participation in that fandom to babbling about the Arthurian legend references. Suzaku is handsome, and very, very physically fit--almost the super soldier type.
No one EVER accuses his bashers of "hating him because he's a guy" or "being jealous" or "because he steals your favorite away from you"--even though their reasons can be just as ridiculous as "I hate his face". There is an undercurrent of reverse-sexism when it comes to "bashing bashers" that is very disturbing to watch sometimes. Even if you hate a character for stupid reasons that doesn't mean you're jealous, ugly, or stupid. We're talking about fictional characters here. As much as I love Suzaku, it would be absurd for me to try to paint everyone that loathes him as stupid.
No character is universally likeable. Fans of BOTH genders--man, there is a lot of Sakura-bashing males out there, and the most vicious Rukia/Oroihime bashing I've seen is inevitably done by guys--tend to be harder on those that hesitate, are hypocritical, seem weak, or "useless", regardless of how fascinating they might be.
barring the shoujo romance ones who just...really don't seem to have a brain or a spine and just seem to be there to worship the guy.
That's what turns me off of shounen manga, actually. Most of what I read is shoujo and a lot of times it's because I love the heroines. I hate watching the heroine have no purpose aside from "main cheerleader/kidnapping bait", which seems to usually happen in shounen series. At least in shoujo, the heroine is important.