Ah, no, I quite like Chiaki in the Nodame series, but I really just cannot like him and Nodame as a couple. I don't 'ship' them with anyone else, but the idea of them getting together romantically just makes me feel really uncomfortable. It's similar to the way I feel about Naoki and Kotoko from Itazura na Kiss, but at least in Nodame, there is a strong mutual affection on their part that makes me enjoy the series. I just think, as far as romance itself goes, they're completely mismatched emotionally and mentally.
The Chiaki I was referring to was from Kamikaze Kaito Jeanne, and I really do hate him with the power of a thousand suns.
And, I don't think you are a person that generalizes one way or the other, which is why I enjoy reading your opinions so much even if I don't always agree.
But I think a lot of the people I interact with have a tendency to, when they meet someone who is an exception to what they expect, they tend to group them apart and still go on generalizing.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the "good BL fan" in certain circles--after all, I don't bash and I enjoy participating in discussions beyond romantic prospects--but instead of using that to think, "Hmm, each BL fan is a different person, and there are a lot of annoying ones, but maybe there are also a lot of smart, well-spoken ones", I get people that feel perfectly fine with talking about how 'ugly and stupid' fangirls are right in front of my face. When I inevitably protest, I'm told "well, you're different". Gee, thanks? You're still tarring an entire group of women with the same brush unfairly!
I haven't encountered much of the latter, but I do believe it's out there.
I hang out in mostly male-oriented forums and websites--not on purpose, that's just sort of how it ended up being--because the climate seems to work better with my personality. Most of the places I hang out, I can yell and debate and get into huge arguments with people...and a few days later, we might be backing one another up in a different argument against someone else.
But, in such spaces, that's where you tend to find that train of thought. It really does change from place to place, honestly. Even in the female-oriented spaces I enjoy, I almost never see female character bashing. It seems almost like a myth to me. I don't doubt your experiences, but they're just so different from my own it feels almost like speaking a different language sometimes.
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Date: 2008-04-30 08:47 am (UTC)The Chiaki I was referring to was from Kamikaze Kaito Jeanne, and I really do hate him with the power of a thousand suns.
And, I don't think you are a person that generalizes one way or the other, which is why I enjoy reading your opinions so much even if I don't always agree.
But I think a lot of the people I interact with have a tendency to, when they meet someone who is an exception to what they expect, they tend to group them apart and still go on generalizing.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the "good BL fan" in certain circles--after all, I don't bash and I enjoy participating in discussions beyond romantic prospects--but instead of using that to think, "Hmm, each BL fan is a different person, and there are a lot of annoying ones, but maybe there are also a lot of smart, well-spoken ones", I get people that feel perfectly fine with talking about how 'ugly and stupid' fangirls are right in front of my face. When I inevitably protest, I'm told "well, you're different". Gee, thanks? You're still tarring an entire group of women with the same brush unfairly!
I haven't encountered much of the latter, but I do believe it's out there.
I hang out in mostly male-oriented forums and websites--not on purpose, that's just sort of how it ended up being--because the climate seems to work better with my personality. Most of the places I hang out, I can yell and debate and get into huge arguments with people...and a few days later, we might be backing one another up in a different argument against someone else.
But, in such spaces, that's where you tend to find that train of thought. It really does change from place to place, honestly. Even in the female-oriented spaces I enjoy, I almost never see female character bashing. It seems almost like a myth to me. I don't doubt your experiences, but they're just so different from my own it feels almost like speaking a different language sometimes.