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[meganbmoore]

 Bored now.

Headed to The Pit. 

ETA:

*go to SDK section*

*see what may be a promising, shiny new Kyo/Yuya fic*

*click*

*sob at the typos and grammatical errors that make your worst typo ridden post look perfect* 

ETA 2:  Benitora/Sasuke? WTF? 

ETA 3: I am amused by this disclaimer: "I do not own Samurai Deeper Kyo...if I did, Kyo would be my personal bed slave."  Not as much so by the story, though(one of those that goes "oh, well h gets grabby without permission, I bet he does EVERYTHING ELSE without permission too.)

Comments

[magicnoire.livejournal.com]

Oh, I know! Any slash pairing involving Kyo makes me laugh because he is so hetero, it's ridiculous.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Yup. Even those "suggestive" pics with Yukimura...he's almost "WTF are you doing?" in them(whereas Yukimura is clearly "yes, pose prettily with the other pretty man who is much less bright than me to cater to fangirls and sell more copies")

Kyo has an extreme fight or f*** personality...guys existing for the fighting, women for the other...unless they'd rather fight. If you aren't there for one, then beat it. He just focuses 99% of the sex drive on poor Yuya(who, actually, is pretty lucky there are certain lengths he won't go to while in someone else's body...grab, yes, anything else, no.)

But yeah...I can buy slash pairing with Yukimura(that don't involve Sasuke) or Hotaru(if he even knows what sex is...) but Kyo? I've tried, honestly, but I just can't see it.

[magicnoire.livejournal.com]

I always parsed Yukimura as being bisexual (though, yeah, I get squicked by Yukimura/Sasuke for the same "Ew! Sasuke's a kid, stop it!" reason) and I can sort of see Hotaru too, though, like you, I kind of doubt whether or not he even knows what sex is.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

I suspect Yukimura likes girls best, but will go for pretty much anything...except kids. Especially the ones he's raised.

Hotaru...I figure at some point, someone will just grab him and have their wicked way with him, and he'll like whichever gender that person was.

[magicnoire.livejournal.com]

Well, considering when we first meet Yukimura, he's having public sex with a girl, that's probably accurate.

I figure at some point, someone will just grab him and have their wicked way with him, and he'll like whichever gender that person was.

So true.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Well, considering when we first meet Yukimura, he's having public sex with a girl, that's probably accurate.

I had completely forgotten about that and now must find that chapter(when does he show up, again?) and check when I get home.

[magicnoire.livejournal.com]

I... I don't remember which chapter. But I do remember it was at one of those restaurant you find along travel paths. The other customers were complaining about the noise.

It might not have been his FIRST appearance but it was one of his early ones.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Ah, yes, now I remember.

[chomiji]

Vol. 3, near the end (Ch. 22). He's pawing over a very wriggly but not-too-upset wineshop girl and starts helping the other patrons with their speculations on who's the strongest samurai by giving them inflated information about himself. Then Kyo chimes in a little too obviously with his own Kyo-slanted reviews and offers to show off Tenrou - at which point Yukimura slaps Tenrou right back into its scabbard, flipping Kyo out entirely. We then later see Yukimura groping/wrestling with what's presumably the same girl along the side of the road.

And just 'cause a guy is enthusiastic about girls doesn't mean that he doesn't also play with guys from time to time ... (says the woman who just wrote someone some very unsubtle Kyo/Yukimura porn for Xmas).

But meganb, I promise I'll write you something sweet with Kyo and Yuya sometime ... I just stretched myself to write Hakkai/Yaone for someone, after all.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I remembered the scene when

And just 'cause a guy is enthusiastic about girls doesn't mean that he doesn't also play with guys from time to time ...

But there's never a hint he likes to play with the boys that way, but flat out canon he likes to play with the girls that way...

For that matter, most anime and manga guys who get slashed in fanfiction are canonically straight, and no matter how hard I try, I can never understand the appeal.

[chomiji]

I don't think I've ever claimed it was canon. But given that Yukimura's flirty behavior never causes Kyo to react the way a lot of straight guys I've known would react, it's a lot less bizarre than a lot of the shifts people make for fanfic.

I keep thinking I must've talked through my theory of "why slash" with you ... it has to do with women who don't identify with any of the female characters but do identify with one of the male characters, and who still are interested in fantasizing some sort of a relationship. I identify with Yukimura - it's a combination of his age and his constant worries about his other responsibilities - but I think Kyo is hot. Therefore - hello, Kyo/Yukimura slash.

And there are absolutely no female characters in SDK with whom I identify. Shihoudou (still not scheduled to appear for a couple more volumes) would come closest, but I still have more in common with Yukimura than I do with her ... .

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Well, I'm drawn to things because of canon, pairings or otherwise. Things that go against canon just don't appeal to me, and I don't think I've ever stuck with anything enough to go for anything uncanon that directly opposed canon....I drop things long, long before I reach that state.

And...while I understand what you're saying...I still can't "get" it. I'm a girl, so guy/guy doesn't work on an identification/wishfulfillment/anything level for me because...I'm not a guy. I just can't make(or begin to understand) that connection. I think it all boils down to whether guy/guy(or girl/girl) innately appeals to you. I don't dislike it in canon, but it doesn't hold an inherent appeal to me. It's actually rare for me to find a female character I identify with...I'm more likely to identify with the quieter, bookish types who often come across more stuck up or arrogant than they really are but really just aren't that good socially and are more than a little stiff, which is more of a secondary male character set(Shinrei and Ishida are 2 that come to mind that you'd know) but I've never felt any desire to pair them with another guy, no matter how hot I find one or bother of them.

But really, it all comes down to canon. Slashing Kyo does oppose canon, whereas you could pretty much pair anyone in Bleach with anyone(barring kids, commander/subordinate or relatives or familiy-like relationship...the usual squicks) and and not set off a single anti-canon button with me, because, seriously, most of them may as well be asexual for allthe romantic interest they've ever shown in anyone.

[chomiji]

I ran into that "I don't identify with the guys" thing with redbrunja as well. We had a long and sometimes bitter discussion about Hakkai/Gojyo, and that was part of it. The funny thing is, I hardly know of any female SF&F fans who don't identify with guys in stories. And for that matter, consider the authors: female authors (sometimes using male or ambiguous pseudonyms) write male leads - sometimes from the first person - all the time. It's hard to imagine that they don't identify with their male characters.

I have always been a geek/tomboy type, and identified with the male protagonists of my favorite stories as easily as I did with the females.

(Do you think you might read my Hakkai/Yaone story? I'd be really interested in your reaction.)

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Well, like I said, the type of characters I most often identify with ARE guys...I just don't see how identify them leads to slash, unles there's just an inherent appeal to you. To stick with the two I listed earlier, I actually have, in the past, been tempted to ship Ishida with Orihime and Rukia, but Orihime(one sided as it is) is pretty blatant in her utter adoration of Ichigo, and Rukia...well...Rukia's one of the ones that I think may as well be asexual for all the indications she's given in canon(plus, if I DID ship Rukia with anyone, it'd probably be Renji, because he's also blatant in his adoration) so I never reached the point of shipping. The two characters in Bleach I find the most attractive(and the type I go for, crushwise) are Renji and Ichigo, but I feel no desire to ship Ishida with either one, even though many of his non-we-are-enemies-scenes are painfully familiar if you switch the gender and remove all the supernatural. With Shinrei...well, honestly, he's so straightlaced the idea of slash would probably break his brain, and all the nice girls I like are taken, and Okuni would literally eat him alive. Plus, he needs time to get over the zombie. But the short version is...identifying with a male has never made me want to ship him with a guy I found hot/was my favorite.

But like I said...I think it boils down to whether or not there's an innate appeal of guy/guy to you...if there is, then then yeah, guy you identify with + hottest guy around= gold. But if there isn't, then you just aren't going to get it.

As far as Gojyo/Hakkai/Yaone goes...well, you know what I ship in Saiyuki, but ignoring that...

I essentially view Hakkai/Gojyo as "pretty much canon, but never going to happen." On Hakkai's front, it's kinda like Yukimura...there was the One Love and there will never really be Another...I mean, becoming a mass murderer(and a demon in the process) to save your sister/girlfriend just to have her kill herself in front of you would turn a person off romance for life. As far as Hakkai/Yaone goes...I think he is drawn to her, but much of what initially drew him to her were things that reminded him of Kanon, and he likes and respects Yaone too much as an individual to ever use her as any sort of replacement.

As far as Gojyo goes...well, despite his extreme perviness(or maybe because of it) I don't see him ever entering into a sexual or romantic(because there is a difference) with anyone he actually cared about. He has sex, I think, because he craves and needs human contact, but also because there's a degree of a lack of self worth, and I think that he actually views sex itself as something of a disgusting act. After all, the thing he most identifies sex with is his older brother sleeping with his mother, with her calling out the father's name, to keep her from beating Gojyo to death. I think sex is a physical act to him, and one he finds pleasure in, but that's also connected to selfdisgusting and wrongness for him. His deepest relationships are, I think, always going to be the ones that it will never enter into, because it has negative emotional connections for him, and bringing someone he cared about into a relationship like that would, I think, "dirty" them for him.

[chomiji]

I think I like Gojyo too much, and >cough< enjoy amorous activity too much to like the idea of his never having a good physical +emotional relationship. Yukimura has another major cause in his life to take up some of his passion; in addition, he's just not nearly as "broken" as Gojyo is.

Looking back on some of the things I wrote here, I'm sorry to have clogged up your LJ with them. I think the issue - which is all me, not you - is that I had what were essentially slash fantasies long before I knew there was such a thing as slash fanfic. It was such a relief to discover that other people enjoyed this idea, and that I was not this lone weird psycho. So I think I over-react when I hear someone say "I don't see why people have to slash."

And also pushing this issue is just going to make it harder for me to ever get you to read anything I write, even if I try to write something to your taste.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Heh...I completely understand liking a character so much you don't want them to be alone, and am uite fond of Gojyo myself, but I really do think he associates the act with dirtiness and would never actually get involved with someone he actually cared about.

As far as slash goes...I actually had the opposite experience myself. Spent years and years thinking I was the only person in the world who didn't like to slash anything they came across(and have, thankfully, since learned that not every person who likes slash will just slash everything in sight) until I finally found canon fans a few years ago, and found people who were more of the blending of both, too.

Really....I think it just comes down to if it appeals to you or not. It's why I can never get far into yaoi series, no matter how interesting the story sounds...the success depends almost entirely on how interesting you find the idea of guy/guy, and since that doesn't instantly appeal to me, I get bored. On the flipside, I actually do often enjoy canon undertones of slash. especially the ones meant to poke fun at things, such as the Himawari/Watanuki/Domeki thing in xXxHoLic, which is so blatantly poking at the shojo standard of the hyper girl hopelessly crushing on the perfect boy, despite the les obviously perfect but clearly much better suited for her boy she clashes with. Only, you know,m with some gender alterations.

(and no problem, of course...and I have read 2 of your fics, after all...)