Cardcaptor Sakura Vol 2

[meganbmoore]

*points to pages 179-180*

I do not understand…people deny Toya/Yukito? Uhm…how?. I mean, there’s no “sub” to that…

Moving on…

SYAORAN! He…he is so little! And grumpy! And cute! And determined to be mean! Except, you know, that doesn’t quite work when you go around saving your future girlfriend romantic and professional rival every chance you get. And the mutual crushing on Yukito!

Who, uhm, seems to have some cluelessness going for him, with all the “but why do you let me talk to Sakura when you all but murder anything else that’s moderately male who goes near her?” stuff to Toya.

I remain amazed at how Sakura and Tomoyo can both be so amazingly pure and innocent and sweet without being annoyingly saccharine. For that matter, I’m amazed I can call Tomoyo pure and innocent and sweet when she dresses her crush up in cute and frilly outfits-including a maid costume with cat ears-so she can videotape the fights and watch them in her room (and even talk about skirts flaring up).

For the “OMGWTFCLAMP?” portion of this post:

-Tomoyo’s mother was in love with Sakura’s mother. Apparently in That Way. Hereditary, maybe?

-Fujitaka was Nadeshiko’s teacher. As she was 16 when they met, I wouldn’t be nearly as thrown off by this if he hadn’t still been her teacher when they got together.

-That, of course, was just to brace us for Rika and the homeroom teacher. 11-year-old crushing on cute teacher: perfectly normal. Adult teacher apparently romantically reciprocating: Nuh-uh. And I’m sure you’re all just going to tell me that’s nothing yet. But what were they thinking with that...

But Sakura and Tomoyo and Syaoran are so cute! I cannot believe such cuteness doesn’t become annoying! And the blushing! 

Comments

[magicnoire.livejournal.com]

And I’m sure you’re all just going to tell me that’s nothing yet.

And you'd be right.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

You're just sitting over there cackling. I can tell.

[magicnoire.livejournal.com]

You know me too well.

[woodburner.livejournal.com]

"I do not understand…people deny Toya/Yukito? Uhm…how?. I mean, there’s no “sub” to that…"

PEOPLE DENY TOUYA/YUKITO??? WHAT??? I haven't even read the series, I've only seen snatches of the anime while the b.f. was watching it (yes, really), and uhhhh. THERE IS REALLY NO "SUB" TO THAT TEXT??? IT IS PURELY TEXT. PURELY. HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY DENY IT!

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Dude, Toya was mid-face stroking with Yukito giving him a confused shoujo heroine stare when Sakura and Syaoran insanely cutely interrupted. This is after virtual hand feeding in the first volume.

I also understand they deny Tomoyo's romantic feelings for Sakura despite the fact that she's already specifically stated exactly what they are.

YOU SHOULD READ IT!!!! SO I WON'T BE THE ONLY ONE READING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME!

[woodburner.livejournal.com]

YEAH THE FACE STROKING MAN, that was one of the scenes I saw! I just told the b.f. that there are people that deny Touya/Yukito and he said "So there are people whose ability to deny reality is very strong?" XD;

DUDE, I was talking to this friend once about CCS (he'd actually seen a lot of the show) and mentioned the Tomoyo crushing on Sakura thing and he was like, "What? Really? I hadn't noticed!" And I was like, "..." I thought maybe the American version that showed on TV might have toned it down some since I had heard they had edited the show a lot, but then I asked a different friend who'd seen it and she was like, "Uh, no, Tomoyo pretty much directly states her feelings for Sakura even in the American version."

IN CONCLUSION, SOME PEOPLE CAN ONLY SEE WHAT THEY WANT AND EXPECT TO SEE. (But I think we already learned this from the Zutarians, cough.)

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

The last bit is why I just do not do (or, for that matter, have much sympathy for) fanon shipping. (I mean, do it, fine, but remember that you're opening the door for people to whip out canon and say "uhm...no.")

Tomoyo...Tomoyo dressed her up like a maid with cat ears and, when watching the video, commented on how she especially liked the part where Sakura's skirt flared up.

Here, the dialogue from Tomoyo's declaration of love:

Tomoyo: *looking wistful* "You don't know just how much...I love you, Sakura."
Sakura: "D'you say something?"
Tomoyo: "I'll tell you when you're a little older."

I mean, clothes fetish aside, Tomoyo's love seems pretty pure and mostly innocent, but I don't see how you can miss that it's romantic love. (Which 2 days ago, is not something I would have said about a 11 year old...)

[woodburner.livejournal.com]

Well I don't have a problem with fanon shipping ITSELF (I mean, I have a few fanon ships of my own,) but I mean, there's a difference between fanon and canon! Sometimes fanon is quite believable, but it's still not canon until it's CANON. (Not that Zuko/Katara is all that believable. I mean, I could see it... if they'd lived completely different lives, met in a completely different way, and Aang wasn't in the picture. Cough.)

(Speaking of believable fanon, I think this is fanon shipping done right (http://geekerypokery.livejournal.com/150502.html). It doesn't ignore or break up canon, and personalities are not mysteriously changed to make the situation happen. Interestingly, iirc I think the only thing that got jossed from that fic was Mai's situation.)

DUDE, I told the guy, I was like, "BUT SHE DRESSES HER UP IN PRETTY CLOTHES AND TAKES VIDEOS OF HER." And he said, "I just thought that was hero-worship!" I just. Man. I DON'T KNOW.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

See, I completely get "I like the idea of this, even though it won't happen" but most of what I see isn't that. It's "I like the idea of this, so I will find ways for the text to support it, even if the text directly contradicts it." And most seem to at least somewhat (many a lot more than "somewhat") take it out on the canon interferer, even when claiming they aren't or they have completely different reasons for it, when it's obviously a factor.

I didn't watch s1-2 until shortly before s3 started airing, and I already knew about Zuko/Katara, and just spent my time being baffled "but...they have no scenes together...they don't talk about each other...unless you count his attacking her village and and later abducting her, and his betraying her when she gives him a chance..."

[woodburner.livejournal.com]

'See, I completely get "I like the idea of this, even though it won't happen" but most of what I see isn't that. It's "I like the idea of this, so I will find ways for the text to support it, even if the text directly contradicts it.'

YES, TOTALLY AGREED, OH MY GOD IT DRIVES ME NUTS. And the type of people who are like, "Well you don't know, even though she/he canonically has chemistry with him/her, she/he could still end up with this other person!" And it's like. You know, in SOME kind of stories, sure, that could happen. BUT THIS ISN'T THAT KIND OF STORY. Surely you can tell the difference?!

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

It's just...there's a difference between "this could be read sexually" and approaching fiction looking for things to be interpretted sexually, and then sticking with that reading no matter how much it's discredited, and especially. I tend to get especially suspicious if if it's "favorite + main male/female" because people seem to attach this prestige to a character being attached to the lead. Like...the character can't be important unless they are. Especially so when the greatest insistence is on the guy who's paired off.

[mystickeeper.livejournal.com]

Wow, people deny Yuki/Toya? It gets even....less deniable, I think.

Have you read Man of Many Faces? I think that one has the most improbable romance, although it's mildly in its favor that the romance is unrequited on one side.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Yeah. I've been told that both Yukito/Toya and Tomoyo=> Sakura gets doubt. I do not see how.

I haven't read any of the Clamp School Detectives stuff. What's the romance there?

[mystickeeper.livejournal.com]

At the beginning of Man of Many Faces, Utako Okawa is a 5-year-old student in kindergarten. She is nursing a broken heart because she's crushed that after falling in love with her teacher, who is 22 YEARS OLDER THAN SHE IS, he refused her love. I guess that at least in this case, the teacher opted not to be a pedophile.

[danyellalot.livejournal.com]

I actually have seen people deny Touya/Yukito. Ugh. Just...WHAT?

I’m amazed I can call Tomoyo pure and innocent and sweet when she dresses her crush up in cute and frilly outfits
EVERYTHING in CCS is pure and innocent. I bet if there was a tentacle monster or something, they'd still be able to make it seem adorable and noble.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

I heard about the denying Toya/Yukito back when i was still deciding what non-TRC/xxxHolic Clamp works I wanted to read, and I was "but...but all their TRC versions are boyfriends...are the originals not?"

[desdenova.livejournal.com]

people deny Toya/Yukito

???

Um, I won't go into detail so as not to spoil you, but I just don't think that's *possible*. Well, I guess maybe if those people haven't read/watched the whole thing? Or maybe they only saw the American-ized "Cardcaptors" travesty???

Rika and the homeroom teacher.

Yeah, I try to pretend that's not there. It's a bit less freaky to me if I remember the target audience is 11-year-old girls: the handsome teacher you have a crush on liking you back is an understandable fantasy for a kid, whereas for an adult it is just skeevy. But still.

I cannot believe such cuteness doesn’t become annoying!

The cuteness of Cardcaptor Sakura transcends annoyingness!

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

I'm notremotely bothered bythe idea of Rika crushing on her teacher. I wouldn't even mind his having platonic responses that she interpretted differently. It's the part where he seems to romasnticallyrespond to, and even want to marry, a 11 year old that I get bothered with.