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Note:  I'm not considering what Summer Glau's character is to be a spoiler.  If you don't know that, then you've probably never seen an ad or promo picture.  Or, for that matter, heard anyone talk about the series, and they also made it clear what role she would at least claim to take.  Also, the only thing beyond that that I'm going in spoiled for is the identity of a mid-season character.  And all I know is their identity.  No spoilers, please.  (It's 9 eps, you won't have to hold it in for long.)

Uhm, I'm going to assume everyone is at least passingly familiar with the first two Terminator movies (we and the show both ignore the third.)  If not, here's what happens.  

In the future, a company called Skynet creates robots that eventually rebel and take over the world, but they are eventually brought down by a resistance led by John Connor.  In a last ditch effort to stop this, the robots send one of their own, a Terminator, back in time to kill John's mother, Sarah, before John can be born.  John, however, sends one of his own people, Kyle Reese, back in time to save Sarah.  Through a picture John gave him and John's stories about how his mother was the most awesome thing ever and made him able to be a leader, Kyle has already fallen in love with Sarah, and things happen.  Eventually, Kyle is killed by the Terminator, but Sarah manages to destroy it by (IIRC) crushing it in a trash compactor.  Pregnant, alone, and knowing what's coming, Sarah drops completely off the grid and spends the next dozen of so years in hiding, training herself every combat tactic she can, knowing what's coming.

When John is 12-13, however, they're caught and Sarah is locked up in an institution for blowing things up that she's worried could lead to robots taking over the world.  It happens.  While she's locked up, another Terminator, a more advanced one, is sent back in time to kill John before his voice finishes cracking.  Future!John, however, knows about this, too, and reprograms a Terminator of the old design to go back in time and save is floppy haired little self.  While it's doing so, the two break Sarah out of the institution and the three attempt to stop Skynet from ever creating the machines with the help of Myles Dyson, the man whose research would eventually lead to the creation of the machines.  Myles and both Terminators die, and Sarah and John hit the road again.  (WAIT!  Is it Miles or Myles?  i'm too lazy to check and I always get confused thanks to my mother's thinking that, if she speled my brother's name "Myles," no one would ever think of the town "Miles" less than an hour away.  (He's actually named after Miles Standish, as much as he is after anyone.)

Sarah Connor Chronicles starts off in 1999.  Sarah has put her mind back together as much as one can after Judgement Day, and, though she and John are still in hiding, has even found herself a fiance.  She knows, however, that it still isn't safe, so she packs John up and moves on, ending up in New Mexico.  No sooner are they settled in, though, than they're found by a terminator.  Fortunately, John's cute new classmate, Cameron, is a terminator who (so she claims) was sent back by his future self to save him, saying that someone else eventually creates the machines. 

You know, John Connor has to be the only guy in the world for whom a slim young woman as the badass protector makes much more sense than the muscular male.  I mean, let's face it, according to his parentage and childhood, men who go into battle die.  Women who go into battle walk away when it's over.  Also, for him, yelling "Mommy!" when in trouble isn't cowardice, it's common sense.

While Judgement Day (and the original Terminator itself)  focused on what it's like to know your child will grow up hunted because he'll eventually save humanity from before he was born, neither really has the time to show what that's like when people aren't trying to kill you at the moment.  Even before people are trying to kill them in Judgement Day, Sarah's mental state then is at least partly due to six months of people telling her she's insane while she knows that he's out there with no one protecting him, and I don't think there's a lot of difference.  (This is why Sarah's together-ness here doesn't really bother me, though I suspect it might others:  a lot of the extremes in her behavior struck me as being a result of her current situation.)  As this aspect is the part of the movies that was always the most interesting to me (they become rather generic once you remove their being about the hero's mother who has to prepare him) I highly approve of it's being one of the main focuses of the series.

Ok, my 2 nitpicks:

1.  JOHN REESE?!?!?!?!  WTF?!?!?!  Ok, I know it's meant to remind us of his origins, and show that Sarah is trying to keep Kyle as a part of John's life and all, but that is just stupid for people who are trying to stay completely off the grid.  Sure, John, Sarah and Reese are all pretty common names (let's face it, it's probably why his name is John) but they're on the run and Kyle was arrested, so a combination of the names is more likely to be watched for. TPTB!  Nods to fans are only good if they don't reek of bad decisions!

2.  Ok, I really don't want "John Connor, Savior of Mankind" on my screen, but really, how is it possible that he does not appear to have any combat or weapons training at all?  Sarah is keeping him alive and preparing him to save humanity, shouldn't she be making him learn some of this stuff, too?  I'm sure it's to make sure the show doesn't have any chances of turning into "John Connor, Savior of Mankind," but I think it was taken a little too far.

Not really a nitpck, but:  Did the computer screen say Sarah was 33?  That would put her at about 17 when she got pregnant, which seems to be younger than the impression the movies gave.  Or maybe it was meant to be 33 during Judgement Day, which makes more sense.

Nitpicks over.

EVERYTHING ELSE WAS GOOD!

I like that, even though what Cameron claims to be what's going on makes perfect sense, it's ambiguous as to whether or not that's what's really going on.  After all, as much as it makes sense for John's choice of a protector to be female, doesn't it also make sense for the other side to realize that he'd naturally be drawn to a female warrior, and more trusting.  (I don't mind John being naive and wanting someone to trust.  He's 15 and has been raised by a conspiracy theorist who can back it up.)  And I really like Sarah's reaction to Cameron, which is very clearly "I'm going along with you while you're keeping him alive, but I'll cheerfully blow your head off if I suspect you're really a bad guy."

Dwelling on John, for a moment, while, as mentioned before, I have no interest in "John Connor, Savior of Mankind,"  I hope the show does address knowing that, not only will you eventually meet your father as a man younger than you, but you'll also train him and condition him to love your mother, then send him back in time to get her pregnant and die.  And then you will reprogram your surrogate father to go back in time and die, thus causing your younger self some serious heartbreak.  (John Connor:  He Who Understands the Need for Heroic Angst.)  This?  Is the kind of issue I'd like to see from him.

So far, I really like the track they're taking with Ellison.  At first I was worried that he'd be Evil, but it seems they're going the route of his realizing he could be wrong about Sarah, and he seems interested in getting to the bottom of things, not just tracking her down.  And can someone please tell me where I've seen him before?

I'm glad Sarah's fiance moved on, instead of mooning over her for 8 years.  I just hope it's handled well (read:  no making new girlfriend miserable while he obsesses over the old one.)

And the Terminator had a gun in its leg, under the skin!  Thank you!  That bugged me about the movies.  It obviously wasn't an option for Kyle, but why didn't the Terminators have guns implanted under the skin, so they'd already have them when they got back?

The jury is kind of out on the time travel bit.  I suspect the real reason for that was so it could be set now while still having John be a teenager.  It does nicely puts things in a position for things starting now to result in Skynet going live in 2011.  And, I think, supports "Cameron is keeping Secrets" theories.

Last note:  from their conversation before Sarah decided to stop Skynet (again) when John essentially told her he couldn't be strong, he relied on her for that, I'm assuming that John won't be able to step up and do what he needs to until she dies.  That said, as long as her death is part of the story(current theory is that it's all a plot resulting in Cameron helping Skynet go live in 2011, and that Sarah will die in the final battle before it goes live) and not "Sarah died of cancer between movies because the boss dumped the actress-aka, his wife-for another one of his actresses," I'm good. 

Date: 2008-08-21 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seriousfic.livejournal.com
And the Terminator had a gun in its leg, under the skin! Thank you! That bugged me about the movies. It obviously wasn't an option for Kyle, but why didn't the Terminators have guns implanted under the skin, so they'd already have them when they got back?

Of course, given that the third movie established Terminators have thermonuclear devices in their chests, why not just pull the process server bit, find John Connor, and blow up? Well, because then the movie would be over, obviously, but still...

I'm actually hoping that by series' end, they manage to fix the timeline and stop Skynet once and for all, just because I would like to see T2's "no fate but what we make" message borne out (while acknowledging that having Skynet continually put off while the Terminators try to take out John Connor/his mom/his friends/his wife/his goldfish wouldn't work for a film franchise) and the notion of a TV series serving as a real 'Terminator 3' appeals to me.

Date: 2008-08-21 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
Yeah, the "we keep putting it off, but you can't stop the apocalypse, only change how it comes" thing is interesting.

Date: 2008-08-21 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seriousfic.livejournal.com
Well it worked for the movie series, because it would be pretty boring if you got to T4 and it was still "here's a Terminator out to kill John Connor... but it can turn into kittens! Dare Ah-Nuld kill kittens?"

So while it's interesting to explore the AU of "okay, shit happens, now what?" in T4, I hope T:SCC goes somewhere different with it. Otherwise, you have to wonder what the point is of all their struggles.

Date: 2008-08-23 01:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-ganesh.livejournal.com
The producers have said T3 takes place in an alternate timeline, which is fine and dandy by me.

Date: 2008-08-21 09:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mystickeeper.livejournal.com
OMG! We are now watching something in tandem! I FORESEE MANY EXCITING COMMENTS! Of course, you'll probably pass up my slowness.

Sarah Connor is my hero. I need a new icon.

Date: 2008-08-21 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
I shall likely only be watching an ep or two a day. I have little desire to watch things lately, no matter how much i may be enjoying them.

Date: 2008-08-21 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vivacious-dan.livejournal.com
I've only seen one episode of the show (sup Summer Glau?) but I just want to say I am SO excited for Terminator Salvation.

Date: 2008-08-21 10:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
I...have no interest in the 3rd and 4th movies. Not because I dislike John (I like him) but because he's essentially your average Destined Hero.

Date: 2008-08-21 10:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] havocthecat
I care more about Sarah than I do about John. Unsurprising, I know.

Date: 2008-08-21 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
I care about John. But I care about him because i'm seeing his story through his mother's eyes.

Date: 2008-08-22 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vivacious-dan.livejournal.com
Idk. I love Christian Bale. And the preview looked interesting. I think it's cool cause we actually get to see the future and John Connor fighting and all the stuff we've heard about in the other movies.

Date: 2008-08-21 09:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] desdenova.livejournal.com
I really want to pick up the DVD set and rewatch the whole thing before the new season starts! I should try to get it this weekend.

Date: 2008-08-21 10:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
And it's wonderfully cheap!

Date: 2008-08-21 10:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-sun-is-up.livejournal.com
Hmm I keep meaning to watch this.

also I love the tags on this entry. <3

Date: 2008-08-21 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
It needed it.

Date: 2008-08-21 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lotuseyes.livejournal.com
as far where you've seen Ellison...he's been in a lot of bit parts in movies and TV. He was in Judging Amy (as Bruce Van Exel) for over 100 episodes, that's his longest run. Also Numbers for an ep last season.

I won't say anything about the rest of the season, it might color how you view characters. I wasn't pleased with how the ex-fiancee storyline turned out. But then I didn't like him too grandly either so take that statement how you want.

There is a great episode later in the season when Summer gets to dance. I LOVE THAT BEYOND ALL REASON. I think she is such a wonderfully graceful person and one of the only people I wish to watch dance for any reason.

Date: 2008-08-21 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
I think Summer was a pro-dancer before she started focusing on acting, but I'm not sure. I know she became River after catching Whedon's eye when she guested on Angel.

Ah, Bruce. That's where I know him from. *now naturally predisposed to like Ellison*

Date: 2008-08-21 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lotuseyes.livejournal.com
::nods:: she was a Prima Ballerina, that's why Joss chose her for that specific episode of Angel. now look at her! he seems to do that though with unknowns. David Boreanaz was a similiar circumstance I think (just saw him walking or something). Oh Joss we do so love thee.

Date: 2008-08-21 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fourthage.livejournal.com
This was the only new show I watched last year, and it was so worth it. I'm really glad Fox renewed it for another season.

Date: 2008-08-21 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
I think it's the new show from last season I'm most interested in.

Date: 2008-08-21 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lotuseyes.livejournal.com
in a sick way we can thank the Writer's Strike that made TV hell last season since otherwise I don't think it would have performed as well in ratings. And then also Fox has so few shows to debut this fall so they are willing to give it much more leeway then they normally give such shows.

Date: 2008-08-21 11:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fourthage.livejournal.com
Whatever the reason, I'll take it. Fox has a lousy record with new shows.

Date: 2008-08-21 11:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lotuseyes.livejournal.com
no joke. I bet Las Vegas has a few bets going on any show that premeires on fox each season...

Date: 2008-08-22 01:02 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Good to see a series I enjoy in the midst of all the stuff I have no interest in :b I'm not a huge Terminator fan, but it's a solid series and the TV show got added to my DVR after two episodes. I look forward to seeing some of your reactions to later episodes.

Date: 2008-08-22 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
I figure t some point in time, I have to post on something everyone is interested in.

Date: 2008-08-22 02:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shartyrant.livejournal.com
*sigh* I watched this online at the official site (where they showed it for free) a week after each new episode debuted. I don't have cable so I was happy they went that route. Now I plan on getting the DVDs in the hopes there are some extras, behind-the scenes, bloopers, and all.

Please note that all my responses in the comments are tailored to not reveal ANY spoilers for the whole season and is based on my reaction from the first two episodes of the TV series. Obviously, my reactions changed as the show went on.

The time-travel part was probably the weakest part of the series in the first episode. Get over that and you can enjoy the rest.

I am one of the few who actually doesn't care about Sarah. Her story for me was done with T2 so I was disappointed to see her still being the lead "narrator" when the show started. Her reactions and thoughts are pretty predictable if you watched the first two movies. She is a known quantity. John is a bit more interesting to me because he isn't. He is a teenager now who is in danger and is majorly screwed in that he knows he won't have what everyone else expects out of life (dating, wife, kids, family, a job). He is basically in Sarah's position also from the first movie. The innocent who has someone who will not stop for any reason to kill him. What keeps him from going loco? What ties him to keep trying no matter what? Will his mother ever quit "coddling him" so much as she does in the first episode to let him start becoming the leader that the world "needs"? As you pointed out, I would expect him to be trained a hell of a lot more than he is by now by his mom or whoever she could "shack up" with.

My other main interest is Cameron. I like Summer Glau which is one of the reasons why I gave this show a shot. I enjoyed her take as River. I love her as Cameron too. She gives off this innocent vibe while kicking-butt. She is as innocent and beautiful as a a wild animal that will kill you and not understand why people are so surprised at it's actions. I have to wonder how she views humanity, John and her role in all of this. She is the most "unknown" element in the show. I like the mystery of that. I want to know more. I want to know her background and what she is willing to do and what will happen if her and Sarah are ever at odds over an issue? Who wins? Especially if it messes up her assignment in her eyes. Plus, what does skynet and the terminators plan on doing once they win the war? That was never really addressed in either movie. What is it's goal?

There is more I would post, but that goes into spoiler sections past episode 1 so I'll stop here.

I always liked the ironies of the films. The fact that if no one was sent back to protect Sarah meant that Skynet wouldn't have been "built from" the FIRST terminator's CPU damaged "brain". What happens to the terminator if it had succeed in it's mission and would wander aimless without direction till "judgement day" to find it never arrived (going by the movie DVD and the novelization). I think that is why I liked watching and reading stories from this mythos is because it does leave you thinking and wondering about the possiblities and the what ifs.

Date: 2008-08-22 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
Actually, John is the most known quantity of all time in ficton: the Destined Hero Coming of Age. Go grab 3 books off the SFF racks and he'll be in two of them. The only thing that sets him apart is the moral quandary of what he did to his father, not only for what I said before, but also because it raises the question of whether or not he was ensuring his own survival. Without that, he's fiction's most generic character. The entire point was to see the archetype through the eyes of his mother. Without that element, when Sarah's part of the story is done, it blends in with everything else.

Skynet's goal was advancing science. They just lost control of their experiment. The "evil" Skynet isn't the creators, it's the machines. The machines, I've always assumed, are independent thought contrasting with programming.

The "self-fulfilling prophecy" is what makes the mytharc interesting. Did John know how the chip got there in the first place, or was he naive about that until later? Would it have happened anyway, just at a slower pace? If Sarah hadn't gone around blowing up things she thought would lead to machines taking over the world? If she'd lived quietly in hiding, would they have ever known how to find her?

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