3 random Heroes thoughts

[meganbmoore]

1. Which is worse, hooking up with your father's nurse, who you know has a crush on you, immediately after breaking up with your unstable, drug addicted boyfriend, or hooking up with the daughter of your patient who is under extreme stress due to her father's illness and just having ended a bad relationship, who apparently has only you for any sort of emotional support? (yeah, I kinda think Peter wins the award there...)

2. I have realized that "save the cheerleader, save the world" doesn't mean "save the cheerleader so she can help save the world," but rather "save the cheerleader so that guy who eats BBBRRRRRAAAAAIIIIINNNNNSSSSSSS won't effectively become immortal." Sad now.

 3. It is also my official opinion that if you can defend Mohinder in any way, shape or form, you officially give up the right to call any female character in existence TSTL. Ever. Though at least he is pretty to look at and fun to facepalm to. (Also, Peter: almost as bad. And less cute. I think Nathan stole all the brains in the family and didn't leave any for Peter.)

Comments

[seriousfic.livejournal.com]

I think Nathan stole all the brains in the family and didn't leave any for Peter.)

I think it's more that Angela Petrelli has all the brains of the family stored away for safekeeping.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

That works too.

Nathan did commit the ultimate political nightmare sin of sleeping with a random woman while campaigning. Then again, he managed to twist the blackmail to his advantage.

There was also his whole escape from Bennet and The Haitian and breaking the sound barrier (or so they implied) skidding to a stop outside a diner, walking in like it was perfectly normal, and humoring the crazy Japanese guy. Which, uhm, has been the best thing in the season so far...

[fivil.livejournal.com]

I never liked the Petrellis. Meh.

I have realized that "save the cheerleader, save the world" doesn't mean "save the cheerleader so she can help save the world," but rather "save the cheerleader so that guy who eats BBBRRRRRAAAAAIIIIINNNNNSSSSSSS won't effectively become immortal." Sad now.

Yeah, it sucks. There's a whole lot of "but she's only 16/17!" type stuff. Which I guess is understandable but still, eh.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Well, she can just learn to fight and be an unstoppable superhero on her own in a few years. *crosses arms firmly* It's just realizing that she isn't important for saving the world (as things currently stand) because she can contribute to saving the world, but because she effectively has a "weapon" that will make him unstoppable, but is only hurting her so far. (Well, kinda...)

The Petrellis...entertain me? I'm not fond of anyone currently sporting the name, but they have excellent trainwreck supporting value.

Re: earlier post. I am now taking notes. I have written down something along the lines of "Hiro + girl = mass collision of cuddly cuteness. Ando is long suffering." and then "Non-blonde female mutant. She will be dead by ep 10." (Currently on ep 8.)

[fivil.livejournal.com]

Aww, I love Hiro/Charlie (that's the waitress girl's name) like something fierce. I still have an icon of them (got rid of most of my Heroes icons back when S2 began airing) and they're about the fluffiest awesomest ship that Heroes ever saw..

[animeshon.livejournal.com]

It's very true! And Mohinder is soooo annoying!

I like Hiro though :)

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Hiro is a ball of cuddly fannish glee. Mohinder would be much better if he were like The Haitian and never spoke.

[animeshon.livejournal.com]

Silent Mohinder works for me :)

[southerndave.livejournal.com]

I generally found Mohinder just... boring. All "woe is me, my daddy didn't clue me in on what he's doing and I want his approval even though he's dead" and acting like he had a Hot-line to Wisdom. Aaarrgghh.

Hiro was great fun to watch (and he and Ando do make a good double act when they get the chance). (Have you seen the number plate on Hiro's dad's car yet?)

The series was good fun to watch though. And it's a good example of how to tell good stories with a huge ensemble cast without the weight of characters congealing into a formless mass. (Torchwood didn't do nearly as well, and they only had five regulars).

Series 1 was a lot better than Series 2 (the strike threw the pacing way off; everything had to be tied up in a hell of a hurry). Haven't seen any of series 3 yet (have no idea when it's going to show here).

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Mohinder is a case where I'm just wondering what on Earth they were thinking with the character.

[booster17.livejournal.com]

2. I have realized that "save the cheerleader, save the world" doesn't mean "save the cheerleader so she can help save the world," but rather "save the cheerleader so that guy who eats BBBRRRRRAAAAAIIIIINNNNNSSSSSSS won't effectively become immortal." Sad now.

I am strongly willing to dispute this once you've seen the end to season 1.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

I hope I will agree.

[desdenova.livejournal.com]

Mohinder is indeed too stupid to live.

But, he is also too pretty to die.

I, for one, am happy to have a male character in that traditionally-female role.

(Sadly, most of the characters on Heroes are TSTL. It's not their fault, they're just written really poorly.)

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Yes, but it's worse with him than with everyone else combined. I mean, even Niki has the benefit of pretty much only ever (as of the beginning of the series onward) having 2 bad choices to choose from, whereas Mohinder has every choice imaginable.

I'd be happier about Mohinder in the TSTL role if I hadn't spent the last 2 years seeing him praised a lot, if you know what I mean.

[desdenova.livejournal.com]

Your Heroes-watching friends & associates are clearly different from mine! We call him "Mohimbo" for a reason! Seriously, this is the first I've ever heard of people praising his decision-making skills.

Peter Pet is even stupider, though. Trust me on this one.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Some of it is personal f-list, but a lot of it is more bleeding over from other corners of the internet and shared fandom places.

I am pondering a poll "who makes worse decisions: Mohinder, Peter, or Miaka? And please remember that Miaka is 14."

[havocthecat]

Who's Miaka?

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Miaka is...possibly the most reviled anime/manga heroine ever. (Not by me, but by the masses.) She's a 14 year old girl who goes to another world that's based oon ancient China where she's the Destined Priestess who will save the country. Err...she's the extreme of the genki (hyper and outgoing and usually not bright) heroine type and a lot of the series is a mass of her making bad decisions and not thinking things through. But remember the part where she's a 14-year-old in another world, as opposed to an adult in their own world? I think the bell curve lets her be the smartest in the bunch.

[lady-ganesh.livejournal.com]

The answer is always Peter.

[havocthecat]

1. IT GETS WORSE. No, seriously, it gets worse. Peter isn't just stupid, he's a complete and utter moron. Starting out watching the show? I liked Peter. Now I roll my eyes and wish to be able to smack him upside the head. On the plus side, Angela Petrelli is my favoritest character EVER now for verbally doing it all the time.

2. Agency in Heroes is a varied thing, if by "varied" you mean "granted only to white males who don't look much like each other, but are both white and male." Because why the HELL can't Claire participate in saving the world herself? (Or in saving herself, for that matter.) That's what I would like to know.

3. Oh, Mohindier. I can't stop thinking "so pretty, and so, so very dumb." *pats him* He means well, the poor man, but he's so very bad at everything. No wonder Chandra was so annoyed by him. Why couldn't Shanti have lived so we could get a scientist worth her salt? Hm?

ETA: Wow. I'm a lot crabbier about Heroes than I thought I would be. This is what happens when all my favorite characters [spoilerifficy list of spoilery things] by season three.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

1. I spent all day wondering why I was bugged by the Peter/Simone hookup then I realized that my boredom with that was masking the sheer moral "Hell no!"

2. Claire did get to smash the car into the building and put the would-be-rapist in traction, and I don't mind that she didn't get the final conclusion with that because I don't think she'd be able to live with herself with that yet (after a bit more scary world, though...) but so far, Hiro, Peter and Isaac get to save the world by saving her, and she gets to help by...not being killed. An endeavor I support, but...

3. I think I'd be feeling more kindly towards Mohinder if I hadn't been seeing him loved and praised around the internets the last 2 years, resulting in the typical fandom double standard slapping me in the face.

[fairest1.livejournal.com]

I don't defend Mohinder. Well, beyond feeling that he's way hotter than Peter and has a nice accent. And, uh, in season three we discover that the actor spent the writer's strike at the gym. You just want to give him a pat on the head and politely request he doesn't try discussing the pseudoscience of the show.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

You don't, but I've seen him defended and praised left and right the last couple years. You'd think I'd be used to fandom's double standard by now, and I am, but I'm still allowed to be annoyed by it.

I have to issues with his looks, which I quite approve of, just with the things thatcome with them.

[fairest1.livejournal.com]

I mean, if they wrote the character as genuinely being smart instead of just everyone acting like he's smart and not TSTL, he'd be insanely awesome. As it is, the character's best qualities are directly connected to my desire for a pinup of him. SPOILER he looks awesome without a shirt.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

DUDE! His BFF in India? I'd like Mohinder so much better if he had that guy's personality.

[fairest1.livejournal.com]

Maybe a halfway point? Or two-thirds point? Because the guy's awesome and all, but too sensible to stay on the show. That guy, but with Mohinder's base mission, how 'bout?

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

*sigh*

That's true. I don't think you get to be sensible and a fairly straight "good guy" here.

[fairest1.livejournal.com]

Okay, how 'bout him being largely skeptical, but a solid scientist. He knows his father died investigating this stuff, so when he goes to New York to clear out his apartment, he figures, what the heck, he'll check out some of the reports, perhaps to apologize to the random people the man had quite possibly been harassing.

He comes across more than one case of undeniable awesome. He takes a purely scientific bent to it (while going OMG WOW inside) and records everything carefully -- including digital offsite backups, not just a DNA sample and scribbles in a notebook. And once he has sufficient data to form a research base, he returns to India where he has enough contacts to get a good job where they won't fire him if he completes all his work early and uses the extra time on his pet project. Possibly investigate a few cases around India. Most of the stuff with the States can be done remotely, like contacting the suspected Heroes via phone or email or what have you, and further studies involving travel could wait until he'd gathered enough data to carry legitimacy (since there's a difference between "There could totally be people who can fly" and "So here's documented evidence of people who can fly") and earn a grant.

And he works out on a regular basis so we get some nice shots of him without a shirt. Mmmm.

[tatterpunk.livejournal.com]

Your first two points are why I had to give up on Heroes. I just. I couldn't. So many things in that show made me froth at the mouth.

I mean, just wait until you get more of Nikki's story.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

The first was just...I esd so bored by it that the "OMG NO WRONG" didn't immediately jump out at m, then I realized the sheer "taking advantage of" going on there...

[tatterpunk.livejournal.com]

Right? That whole relationship was so DEEPLY disturbing. And it was so obvious they were setting Peter up as the quintessential "nice guy" girls can't appreciate fully until their user druggie abusive lovers strip away their dignity and the nice-boy nurse forgives them their previous inattention and BLECH. Heroes sometimes gets it right, but so often it taps into the mysogynistic and racist fantasies of the great unwashed nerd-dom.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Yeah. He was supposed to be the nice guy, but...uhm...he was hooking up with a woman on the rebound who he knew was in an extremely emotionally vulnerable condition. I me, it was a bit morally suspect (more than a bit) on her part too, but not nearly as bad.

[tatterpunk.livejournal.com]

Oh, but that's what "nice guys" do: save women from themselves.

*gropes at coffee to get taste of remembrance out of mouth*

Oh, yeah, it was sketchy on her part as well. It was sketchy all around -- but I admit I had more distaste for Peter's part in it, not just for the obvious reasons but because he's established as the moral and emotionl center of the show, and, and, wtf?

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

*sigh*

Yes.

As she was the one in the much more emotionally vulnerable situation, I'm more willing to cut her slack...but not enough to let her off the hook.

[havocthecat]

I mean, just wait until you get more of Nikki's story.

Seriously. God. Don't even get me started.

[tatterpunk.livejournal.com]

Right? She was all set to be awesome! And then they took it away.

The people responsible for Heroes do that a lot, actually.

[havocthecat]

YES. She was all set to be completely made of win, and then-- Poof!

I'm really starting to hate Heroes. And regretting the $20 I spent on the season one DVDs. So much potential. So tragically wasted.

[tatterpunk.livejournal.com]

So much potential. So tragically wasted.

Hiro! When he (season 2 spoilers)went back in time to Japan and he was going to see his hero and it ended up being all about some white blond dude! AND leaving the girl behind! The hell, Heroes producers?

[shewhohashope.livejournal.com]

I've broken up with Heroes, and I'm now only watching shows that are a) really good, or b) entertainingly bad. It's going well so far!

[tatterpunk.livejournal.com]

YAY YOU'RE ONLINE YAY YAY

Recently I can't watch more besides news shows and unrealistic lesbian soaps. What with the move to Taiwan and the US swirling in the drain of its own apocalyptic vortex, I'm just too tense.

[shewhohashope.livejournal.com]

I am online, sort of! And I read a Natsuo Kirino book, and you owe me one mind. The one I have now has been irreparably broken.

[tatterpunk.livejournal.com]

Oooh! Oooh! Which one? Was it Grotesque? Because I take no responsibility for Grotesque, it's the one I haven't read yet and I'm personally apprehensive.

[shewhohashope.livejournal.com]

I couldn't take the double standards within the show and the fandom any more. Unless I hear about the Petrellis (or just Peter) staying dead, I will happily continue to not watch.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

It's the double standards that are everywhere, just made worse. Like SGA.