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It is very much possible that you've caught all the wrong episodes, since every episode I've managed to watch was about how much fail Ron Stoppable is ^^;;

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Ah, Stoppable. I've never caught his name. The last few I've seen have been "Ron is full of fail, but Kim shouldn't be so hard on him, and should give him a chance to prove himself and give him more credit."

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So far all I've seen is this interaction:
bad guy: I AM THE UBER BAD GUY! FEAR ME--
Kim: *gives death glare to his assistant* YOU'RE TOAST
assistant: NOT BEFORE YOU!
Kim+assistant: *EPIC BATTLE OF DOOM AND HISSY FITS*
Bad guy:...*sighs*
Ron: So...how 'bout them Reds?
Bad guy: I'm a Yankees fan.
Ron:...I fail.
Bad guy: I'm obsolete *sobs*

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I don't think I've caught the hissy fits yet.

*pouts*

But I've seen maybe 5 eps? i'm trying to remember that it airs before Emperor's New School.

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*gasp* YOU'VE MISSED OUT ON SO MUCH! They fight and hissy to the poin that people think that they're a much more viable ship that KimRon

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Kim/Ron is the Official Pairing, then? Ah well. He seems to be properly adoring and appreciative enough.

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I actually have no idea. I would guess that KimRon is the main pairing since ~~*spoiler*~~, but *shrugs*

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Kim/Shego FTW! NEVER GIVE UP THE FIGHTSHIPPING. XD

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...I look at your icon and I keep thinking, "does he mean 'bean' as in to whack him over the head with a bean bag', or 'bean' as to engage in things that people should really not be doing with animals?"

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*dies* Gee, I sure hope he just means 'bean' as in 'coffee'. But now you've made me wonder. XD

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Ah. Being a no coffee person (partially due to my allergy to it), that possibility did not immediately come to my mind >.>

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Disney Channel drives me to fanon femslash. And I'm the one who finds it extremely difficult to bother even thinking about fanon shipping. ~~London and Mattie would so be dating if they were het.~~

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Disney Channel drives us all to crazy things *remembers back in the day when she had to go to her friend's house to watch Disney Channel...and her friend's house was located a good 20 blocks away*

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lady-ganesh.livejournal.com

Seconded.

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Totally caught the wrong episodes. I think I know which ones you're referring to, too. (Is at least one of those is the one where her annoying brothers are sent to the same school, in the same grade as she is?)

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I haven't seen that one with the brothers. The one I was thinking of, she had to take them with her on a mission because she was babysitting, and they saved the day. It was my first ep. The last 2 eps I saw were Ron Stoppable Needs Love Too episodes.

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Ack! Go watch the one where she learns to appreciate her super awesome Grandma. "Golden Years." Or the Team Go ones, where we learn of Shego's past. Or the one where Ron is detained and Kim teams up with her mom! "Mother's Day". Or, heck, the first one where she's trying to work up the nerve to ask out her crush. "Crush".

My friend's first viewing of Avatar was The Swamp, and she came away with the idea that the series was a preachy, pro-environmental cartoon.

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I didn't hear about Avatar until the fandom got wanky. It took a bit to get me into. I'm mostly just watching Kim Possible in the late night airings. (Though if it and Emperor's New School are on DVD, I'll probably netflix them.)

BTW, I see you at redbrunja's LJ a lot, right?

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I watched a lot of KP on youtube. Didn't know about the late night showings. They might not have been doing that at the time I got into KP.

And yup, probably!

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I've become addicted to Disney Channel the last few weeks due to the lack of DVD player. 9I can still watch things on the laptop, but...)

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redbrunja.livejournal.com

Oh, so it's on youtube? Cool.

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You can also get some of it at Netflix, it seems. (But not the first 2 seasons...)

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aphelion-orion.livejournal.com

Actually, I think you might be getting a wrong picture of the show. I'm not much into cartoons, but I was pleasantly surprised by how fun and crazy Kim Possible is. The show is definitely about Kim, but it's about Kim's friends, family, and archrivals, too, so they'll sometimes get an episode with a focus on them.

The show's geared towards younger children, most of whom have siblings and who know all about thinking how annoying and stupid and unfun your brother(s)/sister(s) are, so of course the show is transporting a message here. There are a ton of shows with a main character who is a boy, who's learning to appreciate his little/big brothers/sisters better.

As for Ron, he is the supporting character when it comes to Kim-Ron dynamics, and he often complains about not being cool enough, so he sometimes gets the chance to save the day by being a klutz. More often than not, it's Kim who shines and saves his butt with her awesome, and I think it's really sweet how they sometimes envy each other a bit, but are still great friends despite that.

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The general consensus (which I'm inclined to believe) is that I've just caught the wrong episodes. I'm watching the late night reruns, and keep missing it because I keep thinking it's set after Emperor's New Groove. Though the bit with the siblings is similar to my reaction to the bits of Hannah Montana that I've seen: why is it about her learning to accept him/them? What about him/them accepting her? (Except that Mylie/Hannah irritated me in the episodes I watched, and there weren't any characters I found remotely appealing.)

ETA: The only Disney Channel show I've caught where it had a boy accepting/appreciating his sister was Wizards of Waverly Place, and I definitely like how it goes both ways there. it's also the only one I've seen that doesn't make "cool" better than "smart.")

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aphelion-orion.livejournal.com

Well, I think while there are shows that do it both ways, these other shows might just have chosen a focus. I don't know Hannah Montana, because the series annoys me, but if you watch Kim Possible a bit more, you'll also catch episodes where both parties realize something.

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Kim Possible! :)
Sorry, just got dragged back to my childhood - too many Saturday mornings in front of the television singing along to the opening song.

It is about her being cool - in between her 'popular' friends, potential boyfriends, parental dramas... I don't think they ever really develop her that much, she's just there to be awesome. xD

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Yeah, I don't really demand plot or character development. Just that no one get between her and being cool.

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Hee. :) Kim Possible. I'd always watch that show when I'd go home to visit my parents since they have cable and I don't. (And I don't really feel embarrassed about it since my father will watch the Disney Channel, too.)

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The show got more and more Ron-centric the more it ran, to be honest, especially in season four, which is . . . really weird, anyway. Try the first season, which is definitely Kim-centric, and has Ron screwing up in so many ways that it's amazing Kim doesn't just punt him off one of the highest buildings she can find.

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Oh, and fun fact? Ron is voiced by that guy from Boy Meets World and My Date With The President's Daughter. Kim is voiced by the girl who played Ren on Even Stevens, if you're familiar with that show. (It's where Shia Lebouf's career launched, and is why I can't take him seriously as an actor.)

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I haven't seenthat, and still have trouble taking him seriously...

(He's decent, but not really the "star" material they want him to be.)

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Agreed. It doesn't help that Bobby is the first 'grown-up' film I saw him in. (That film really is not very good, with the exception of Laurence Fishburne, who is always awesome, and a few actually decent scenes with Lindsay Lohan playing a girl marrying a man who was drafted so he doesn't have to go to war.)

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*sigh*

Why do so many nice things have to eventually assume that everyone will be happier the more and more you focus on males? I'm fine with that if it's set-up from the start to be more about a guy, but when it puts itself forward as being about the girl but isn't...

(Wait! That's my shoujo rant...)

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My theory is that when Kim Possible started out, they had enough male-oriented programming that they could keep it completely centered around Kim, but in seasons three and four(which wasn't originally supposed to have existed, and is really, really weird for many reasons), they had stuff like Hannah Montanna going and guys were responding to Kim Possible more than they had expected, so.. Honestly, it's not really a gender thing for me, but simply that Kim's a decent character, and Ron just comes off as really irritating to me instead of the affable goofball he's supposed to be. Therefore, the first season or so kind of vindicates me. (I used to watch the Disney Channel fairly often, but I no longer have TV and it's not really high priority for me enough to rent it) In the early episodes, Ron is all but openly derided by the writers. The villains can't even remember his name, and he makes a series of very stupid blunders. Still, his friendship with Kim is honestly very sweet, and I don't think it fits well as a romance at all. By the way, you might like this: One of the first episodes is centered around Ron becoming obsessed with his physical appearance and delivering the moral to him that it's what's inside that counts. (There is a very amusing catfight involved with an equally self-obsessed villain's sidekick.) That episode also features one of his worse mistakes of all time, in which he basically creates a recurring supervillain.

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