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May. 30th, 2018 10:54 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
meganbmoore My father picked me up from the airport last night and told me mom has the stomach bug. This morning dad is sick (meaning I had to open the shop when I wasn't planning to work more than an hour or two today) and mom says she's feeling better and asks if I wanted her to make me scrambled eggs. I DID NOT WASH MY HANDS EVERY TIME I WAS WITHIN 5 FEET OF A BATHROOM OR MY HOTEL ROOM DOOR FOR 5 DAYS TO AVOID CONCRUD ONLY TO BE FELLED BY STOMACH BUG INFESTED SCRAMBLED EGGS ONCE I WAS BACK IN TEXAS. (15 minutes later while she was eating her own scrambled eggs: "This might not have been a good idea" SIGH)
A mostly good time was had. The "mostly" is because of a Not All Nazis incident at a panel I did not attend but heard a lot about both during and after the panel. Good writeups here and here from attendees, as well as a statement here from one of the panelists. Here is the official Wiscon statement about it. I WAS at the post-mortem panel where it was discussed and tweeted the discussion there as thoroughly as I was able (short version: most of the people most affected by it weren't at the panel either because they had already left or because they were too emotionally exhausted from 2 days of fallout to go and here more. As an unfortunate result, the two most vocal people were a woman concerned that the offending panelist being banned was a slippery slope and she'd be banned for stating any opinion someone disagreed with, but more importantly, a man who was a friend of the panelist who kept going on about how she did nothing wrong and how the other panelists and the audience wanting to not talk about sympathizing with Nazis and move on but the offending panelist repeatedly bringing it up was just a consentual back and forth. He also talked about how banning the panelist would have negative long term consequences and be very "damaging" to the convention. He kept going even though the moderator made it clear more than once that they were there to talk about procedures and the running of the con, not if the banned panelist felt hurt. Another audience member summed up the situation from an outsiders point of view with an analogy about how they could eat a peanut butter sandwich just fine but that a peanut butter sandwich could harm or kill someone with allergies, and they wouldn't try to make someone allergic eat a peanut butter sandwich. Others who spoke up about the incident in the post-mortem focused more on if they thought how the banning was handled and announced was the best way to do it, or if there may have been a better way.
Since I dove straight back into work (which I have been neglecting to make this post) I probably won't do much more in the way of writeups but will try to link to other writeups of panels I attended. Most of my twitter feed since last Thursday is of the con, though, including livetweeting some panels. My twitter is meganbm123.
A mostly good time was had. The "mostly" is because of a Not All Nazis incident at a panel I did not attend but heard a lot about both during and after the panel. Good writeups here and here from attendees, as well as a statement here from one of the panelists. Here is the official Wiscon statement about it. I WAS at the post-mortem panel where it was discussed and tweeted the discussion there as thoroughly as I was able (short version: most of the people most affected by it weren't at the panel either because they had already left or because they were too emotionally exhausted from 2 days of fallout to go and here more. As an unfortunate result, the two most vocal people were a woman concerned that the offending panelist being banned was a slippery slope and she'd be banned for stating any opinion someone disagreed with, but more importantly, a man who was a friend of the panelist who kept going on about how she did nothing wrong and how the other panelists and the audience wanting to not talk about sympathizing with Nazis and move on but the offending panelist repeatedly bringing it up was just a consentual back and forth. He also talked about how banning the panelist would have negative long term consequences and be very "damaging" to the convention. He kept going even though the moderator made it clear more than once that they were there to talk about procedures and the running of the con, not if the banned panelist felt hurt. Another audience member summed up the situation from an outsiders point of view with an analogy about how they could eat a peanut butter sandwich just fine but that a peanut butter sandwich could harm or kill someone with allergies, and they wouldn't try to make someone allergic eat a peanut butter sandwich. Others who spoke up about the incident in the post-mortem focused more on if they thought how the banning was handled and announced was the best way to do it, or if there may have been a better way.
Since I dove straight back into work (which I have been neglecting to make this post) I probably won't do much more in the way of writeups but will try to link to other writeups of panels I attended. Most of my twitter feed since last Thursday is of the con, though, including livetweeting some panels. My twitter is meganbm123.
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Date: 2018-05-30 04:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2018-05-30 05:07 pm (UTC)Honestly, at the time, I thought it might be a "learn your lesson about this and just don't do panels if you come again, it's not for you" thing but after your addition about what she said to Nico and a thread on twitter about her views on fostering, I'm getting closer to hoping for permaban.
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Date: 2018-05-30 05:16 pm (UTC)And yea. If she had said the thing about the Nazis once and then maybe taken one of the many many opportunities given to her to walk it back a little, I'd be down for maybe like a 3 year ban with a chance to discuss at that point if her views had changed kinda thing. But, honestly, the way she kept digging in defending her stance in the face of actual people who are actual targets for actual Nazis just ... yea, I'd be fine never having her at WisCon ever again. More than fine.
The fact that she's a medical ethicist just really creeps me out now.
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Date: 2018-05-30 05:43 pm (UTC)And yeah, the majority of WisCon attendees would have been targets for Nazis one way or another.
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Date: 2018-05-30 05:54 pm (UTC)And yea, I certainly would have been/am. I wasn't thinking about that during the panel - was thinking more about the audience members who are Jewish and poc. But after the fact I was like, yea, as a queer disabled woman? I'm included in that two ways. It honestly makes me really emotional to think about now, although at the time I was more angry.
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Date: 2018-05-30 05:31 pm (UTC)From someone not at the con and only reading the often very good write-ups? I cringe, especially as a German. I genuinely understand that people try to understand others...but oy, you gotta draw a fucking line. It's Wiscon. That line is not hard to draw.
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Date: 2018-05-30 05:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2018-05-30 08:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2018-05-30 09:31 pm (UTC)Especially because you were sneakily felled by a rogue egg! So totally unfair.
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Date: 2018-05-30 11:27 pm (UTC)