why not...

Oct. 25th, 2008 10:43 pm
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Snagged from various places:

a) I want to talk about how my ships and concept of shipping varies with fandom, so name a fandom and I'll discuss what I ship and what shipping means to me in that fandom.

b) I have a lot of fandoms. Have you ever wondered about one of the fandom I sometimes mention on my journal which you don't know of? Ask me any question you want about them!


ETA: Spoilers in comments for Bleach(non-explicit), FMA anime (one plotline explicit) and Twelve Kingdoms anime(non-explicit).
(Or if you see something in my tags or interets and I never talk about it, so you have no idea what I think about it, or whatever. Uhm...depending one what (a) is, you may or may not get a slightly wordier "bzuh?")

Date: 2008-10-26 04:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paperclipchains.livejournal.com
a) I'm interested to hear what you ahve to say in general. Pick your two favourite fandoms and compare

Date: 2008-10-26 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
Well, I don't know that I actually have two favorite fandoms. My most basic opinion is that, in anything where there are enough characters to have a fanon ship, there are probably enough to have a fanon ship without messing with the canon pairing. I don't particularly care for fanon pairings in general, but an much less critical of a fanon pairing where there isno canon pairing than I am of one where there isn't. Really, though, I just don't get fandom's love of shipping in general. I can probably count on one hand the number of times I thought a platonic relationship between two characters would be as interesting, much less more interesting, if it were romantic and/or sexual.

I also think that a lot of shipping removes context, and without context, you have character types, not characters. Characters don't exist in a vacuum, and in fiction, it's often a relationship they do-or don't have that motivates them, or that influences what they do.

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Date: 2008-10-26 04:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] narugami.livejournal.com
Just in general, do you ever ship a pairing that isn't canon?

Date: 2008-10-26 04:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
Not really. *points to above comment*

I tend to think Kougaiji/Yaone is the closest thing Saiyuki will ever get to a canon pairing, and I'd be nuts for it if Sarah Connor Chronicales did Sarah/Ellison(kinda...I prefer Sarah unpaired, but if they ever decide they have to pair her with someone...) and things like that, and I tend to be fond of one-sided pairings, so you could say I ship A's love for B, but not really A/B (like, in Bleach, I'm really fond of Renji-to-Rukia and Orihime-to-Ichigo, but I don't really ship either pairing, or think either one is reciprocated, though i do tend to think that those would be the pairings if Tite Kubo ever actually paired anyone off)), but mostly, the appeal just escapes me. I do like "understood but not stated" pairings like Helen/Deneve in Claymore and Hawkeye/Mustang in Fullmetal Alchemist, and I suppose the canon status there is debatable, but they're still mostly things considered the official pairing.

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Date: 2008-10-26 04:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annwyd.livejournal.com
Someone else will probably ask you about Claymore (which I really need to reread and finish soon), so: talk to me about the Codex Alera, what/if you ship (I rarely ship in books the way I do in visual media, but every so often I wonder if TCA might be an exception), what you like about the books, what (if anything) you find problematic.

Or, you know. Whichever of that you want to talk about.

Actually, here's another general thing that interests me: pairings with a lot of subtextual evidence, but not enough that you can outright call them "canon." Yoruichi/Soi Fong is a good example. Where do you stand on those? For me, it's pairings like those that make me wonder how people can be fans of canon pairings alone...because sometimes the line just isn't that clear.

Date: 2008-10-26 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
Yeah, I don't do shipping much at all in books. In Codex Alera I'm a huge fan of Kitai's Supreme Ownership of Tavi, and I like all three main pairings, though in different ways. Off the top of my head, my only real problem is that Tavi never has plans well (I love him being a military genius, but he's too flawless) and i wish he'd never developed furies, even though it was obviously going to happen from the start.

The subtext evidence thing is a little more dicey, but I tend to look at it as "does this perceived subtext support or contradict that actual text?" And I tend to think that everything has to be viewed in the context of the work as a whole. Easy example(uhm...the Bleach example kinda cracks me up, as Tite Kubo will write-at least one sided-pretty much anything he thinks the fans will go for): FMA(manga canon...I do like the anime, but am vastly more into the manga). Ed/Winry is about as canon as it gets. Hawkeye/Mustang (which is my OTP there, and a big one) isn't stated, but is very obvious, and is not only the most logical interpretation, but in many ways, the only one that makes sense (especially if you pay attention to how other people approach her, and Mustang's conversations with various people, especially his contacts.) So, even though I'm much more interested in Hawkeye/Mustang, I can understand arguments against it, but I'll be more critical when it comes to alternate pairings with Ed (I don't think anyone pairs Winry off with someone else) than I will with alternate pairings for either of them.

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part 1

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Re: part 1

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Re: part 1

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part 2 (spoilers for Avatar finale)

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Date: 2008-10-26 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] woodburner.livejournal.com
Wellllllllll HOW ABOUT CLAYMORE THEN 8D

Date: 2008-10-26 04:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
Helen/Deneve 4EVAH!

We love's Jean-to-Claire and Irene-to-Teresa. Sadly, I cannot see Claire as anything but straight. Yes. I know. Claire/Raki has some awesome angst potential. It is mildly concerning that the villains are the ones who seem to have close, loving relationships.

All that said, I'm pretty sure the Claymores are kinda asexual. Except for the evil ones.

Miria and Galatea are my goddesses. Wait, that has nothing to do with the question...

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Date: 2008-10-26 04:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magicnoire.livejournal.com
Going old school on you: Rurouni Kenshin!

Date: 2008-10-26 04:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
I love Kaoru/Kenshin, but I think they're the only ones of that pairing type that i like. I never know if that's a popular ship or not.

Misao/Aoshi only escapes my "raising your bride" squick because he missed her entering puberty, and because she's in the position of putting him back together after realizing he isn't the great hero she thought he was. Sometimes, I think I only really like him for her sake, though I do find him interesting in his own right.

The realy reason Sano ran away was because he found the "property of Megumi" tattoo. He'll be back.

Blondie-boy will one day get tired of Yahiko dancing around the bush with waitress girl (epic name recollection failure there...) and pull a Sano. Or load them up on aphrodisiacs and lock them in a bedroom for a week.

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Date: 2008-10-26 04:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tianneh.livejournal.com
12 Kingdoms! To be honest, if you don't have a ship for it it's fine, since I don't exactly have a serious ship for it myself (although I do ship *coughs*). It's just nice to hear someone talk about it once in a while since I love the series so much I went ahead and bought the original novels for my favourite arcs.

Date: 2008-10-26 04:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iamthemurderer.livejournal.com
Agh, I love 12 Kingdoms! I got up to 39 in the anime (over two days straight, might I add, I just couldn't stop watching) and couldn't find the rest of the episodes at the time I was watching it. I need to rewatch it and finish it all now!

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Date: 2008-10-26 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
Hmm...I can go with Youko/Shoryu or Youko/Rakashun or Shoukei/bear-guy, but I don't actually have any ships. I'm kind of weirded out by pairings with the kirins, though. I can't see them as anything but asexual holy symbols.

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Date: 2008-10-26 04:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wingstodust.livejournal.com
lol sounds like fun.

Hmm... Damo! XD;;;

Date: 2008-10-26 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
OMG CHAE-OHK/HWANGBO YOON SPAZ SPAZ CHILDHOOD PIGGYBACK RIDES MEANS TRUE LOVE ANGSTY STOIC STARING SPAZ SPAZ SWORDFIGHTS IN THE RAIN BRUSHING HER HAIR SPAZ!

...

I'm sorry, did you say something?

(Ok, no, I do have deep and serious thoughts about Damo, I just have to get past my initial reactions...)

Really, it's an amazingly well crafted story about her struggle to be herself in a world that won't let her, and has some great messages about love and trust.

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Date: 2008-10-26 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iamthemurderer.livejournal.com
I just want to say something on a bit in your profile first:

"I like female characters. I don't love every one I ever come across, but it's rare that I understand the dislike directed at so many. Very often, when a female character I'm familiar with is called TSTL or a doormat, my reaction is "she's trying her hardest in a situation where she's way out of her league in a society that expects her to be a doormouse...give her a break."

I used to be an avid female character hater. And yet in the recent years, a few females have stepped forward and shown me the beauty in some characters that people hate. Like Colette from Tales of Symphonia. I still can't fathom how anyone would hate that girl but apparently people do! How could someone trying their hardest to protect those they love and trying to care for everyone they come across inspire so much hate?

And to the meme, Otogi Zoshi - another fantastic series I need to finish.

Date: 2008-10-26 04:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paperclipchains.livejournal.com
I am pleased to hear you appear to recovering from your girlhate.

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Date: 2008-10-26 04:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
I normally JUST DON'T GET IT! I used to try to understand it, but I've pretty much given up on it. And really, the more I try to understand the criticisms, the more I like them.

Otogi Zoshi: I have mad love for Hikari/Monsairaku. Except my mad love is more in the second part than the first, which is pretty much the opposite of everyone else, as I understand it.

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Date: 2008-10-26 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seriousfic.livejournal.com
Wonder Woman to both questions, I guess.

Date: 2008-10-26 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
a) I...cannot ship Diana with anyone. At all. I am constantly looking for potentials for Artemis, and actually half wish I could ship Artemis/Diana. I also wish I could believe Hipolyta reciprocated Phillipus's feelings. Though I am happy that Diana's been established as bisexual.

Wonder Woman (specifically, Hiketeia) is what mainly got me into DC comics, and it and BoP helped rejuvenate my superhero love when Marvel almost killed it. I don't post on it much because I'm in a "Marvel and DC are annoying me" stage. I also tend to only post on things as I read/watch installments, instead of all the time. I abmit, i am one of those who's a bit disdainful of pre-Crisis WW, but I've come to appreciate that more in recent years.

Date: 2008-10-26 09:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fivil.livejournal.com
a) Samurai Champloo. I watched two eps of this last night with a friend after two other friends had recced it to me. Then I got home and wasn't feeling like watching anime anymore.. But I got to thinking "What does Megan think about this?" & also wondered if it would have any ships (canonwise).

b) God, so many. Some days I read the posts where you intro something you're watching very carefully, other days I just skim them. Let's say Basara, as I seem to recall that's a favourite of yours.

Date: 2008-10-26 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
a) I like Samurai Champloo, though I don't really get the big deal about it. Pretty fun, but nothing incredibly special. No shipping for me, and the anime doesn't really pair anyone one, though it does come fairly close at times with Mugen/Fuu.

b) Basara is my favorite shoujo manga, no exceptions. It has complex plot and characterizations and one of favorite manga pairings, and never takes the easy road just because it can. A good review of the series: http://dearauthor.com/wordpress/2008/01/15/review-manga-review-epic-adventure-and-romance-basara/

Date: 2008-10-26 01:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com
Claymore for b) it's one of the manga/anime I've been wondering whether to watch or not.

Date: 2008-10-26 02:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
Claymore is the most awesomest shounen ever and it is too early in the morning for me to be intelligent about it. Here's is my still-accurate pushher post: http://meganbmoore.livejournal.com/713088.html

and here is the eternally-awesome claymore dansen:



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Date: 2008-10-26 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] artillie.livejournal.com
a. Gintama. GO FOR IT.

b. What is Damo, exactly? I've seen the icon and think it's funny, but I'm so terribly confused....

Date: 2008-10-26 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
a) IT'S ALL CRACK! ONE DAY I WILL LEARN OF A SINCERE SHIP AND BE TERRIBLY CONFUSED! OR THERE WILL BE AN ACTUAL PAIRING! (crack!Kagura/Okita 4EVAH!)

b) Damo is a Korean miniseries set in the 17th century about a woman who was born into the upper classes but whose status is changed to that of a servant after her father is declared a traitor. She grows up (and trains) alongside the illegitimate son of an official, and follows him into the police force. Eventually, she's sent undercover to investigate rebels, and has to choose between him and the leader of the rebels. That is the extremely spazzing out free, spoiler free version.

Date: 2008-10-26 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com
Your farscape ships, go.

Date: 2008-10-27 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
Well, I'm only on S1. I really like Aeryn/Crichton, but I'm not invested in it yet. The idea of shipping or pairing Zahn (who's my favorite) kind of weirds me out, but at the same time, I suspect I'd be all over it if they ever did anything there.

But beyond Areyn/Crichton, nothing tickles my fancy yet. (I think there are other pairings later, though.)

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Date: 2008-10-28 12:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-ganesh.livejournal.com
Talk about Tokyo Babylon more, since you just finished it. (Unless you feel like you've talked it to death.)

Date: 2008-10-28 12:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
Hmm. I don't think I've talked it to death, but I'm not sure I'll have anything new to say until it's been a little longer since I've finished it, and probably until aafter I finish X/1999.

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Date: 2008-10-29 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sir-hellsing.livejournal.com
Angel Sanctuary.

Date: 2008-10-29 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
My OTP is Belial/Universe. Do not try to tell me it isn't canon. My backups are Kira/Alexiel and Setsuna/Sara. But not Kira/Setsuna. Please don't ask. I am positive it will somehow work out.

I'm pretty sure every possible pairing has been canon at one point.

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