meganbmoore: (shyzm: san niang)
[personal profile] yifu  asked "If you could pick an all-ladies crime-fighting team from wuxia canon, who would the members be?"

Here is my (probably totally predictable) lineup:

Huang Rong- Legend of the Condor Heroes & Return of the Condor Heroes
Lian Ni Shang-Legend of the White Haired Demoness/The Bride With White Hair
Yan San Niang-Strange Hero Yi Zhi Mei
Wang Yan Yu & Xia Ling Shuang-Paladins in Troubled Times

I guess this could be said to be a Leverage-esque wuxia ladies crimefighting team, given that almost all of them have at least some criminal element in their past. Actually, there's a thief, a criminal mastermind, and a mountain bandit mixed in there, plus Huang Rong, whose youthful impulses weren't always on the upstanding side.

Huang Rong would be more in the Return of the Condor Heroes era, where she's pretty much the top dog in the martial arts world, and the rest are her super-elite crimefighting team. Except Ni Shang doesn't always bother showing up for missions (and when she does, she sometimes ends up leaving important people hanging upside down from trees and such) but she sends a dozen or so of her personal army of warrior maids to help out when she isn't in the mood. Yan Yu is the field leader, but Ling Shuang is the one who always deals with local authorities because Yan Yu makes them antsy. (They know her plots are effective, but she has plotted the destructions of martial arts sects and local governments, and made invasions fail before, and that can make people nervous.) Though sometimes the authorities get annoyed when their wives don't realize Ling Shuang is a girl at first at start ogling the hot young man.* San Niang isn't allowed to deal with local authorities because they annoy her so she steals from them, but she's the best infiltrator/scout ever.

*Ling Shuang is pretty much wuxia!Oscar in this regard.

I've only had a few takers, so there are still plenty of slots left if anyone else wants to leave a prompt.
meganbmoore: (city hunter: but it's only ep 2!!)

50 x Camelot
50 x City Hunter
50 x Game of Thrones
50 x Nikita
50 x Paladins in Troubled Times
50 x Strange Hero Yi Zhi Mei/Vigilantes in Masks

  
  

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meganbmoore: (borgias: totally no incest)

75 x The Borgias
75 x Paladins in Troubled Times
75 x Strange Hero Yi Zhi Mei/Vigilantes in Masks
75 x The Vampire Diaries

   

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meganbmoore: (paladins: wuxia borgias)

I am deeply saddened to report that there was no resolution to whether or not wuxia medicine can actually make you regrow bodyparts.  But at least you get to see someone bite off their own finger to get the emperor to listen to them?  (If I were to trust wuxia on this front, I would be forced to believe that China has never had even a semi-competent ruler.)

Anyay, the climax included this scene:

MAN:  I shall be strong and manly and lift this giant rock door with my bare hands!  I've managed 6 inches.  Quick, grab a rock to hold it open for me!
WOMAN:  How about I bring you this thick wooden pole I conveniently found over there, and we use it as lever.  That way, we don't risk losing our fingers and it'll go way faster and take a lot less effort.
MAN:  I am glad we had the discussion about how you have all the brains in this operation a few episodes ago.

I only have one serious problem with this series, and it's under the cut.
 

 

spoiler cut for annoyingly common trope )


I should find a series where Victor Huang is playing a more age appropriate character.  Also, Yan Yu's actress is to this director (name escapes me at the moment and i'm to la to look it up) what Liu Shi Shi is to Guo Li, because it looks like almost every series she's in is from him.

meganbmoore: (paladins: wuxia borgias)

1.  I think someone in wardrobe went "Gosh, Mo Le is kind of going to be really REALLY annoying for a bit.  Well, if nothing else, we can attempt to distract those in the audience whose sexual orientation includes tall men with well-defined muscles, nearly bronzed skin, and long dark hair by having Victor Huang with bare arms (the closest we get to shirtless in wuxia unless it involves TOTALLY PLATONIC AT THIS POINT AND COMPLETELY NECESSARY NO REALLY naked kung fu practice in a meadow with your hot young master of the opposite sex who will look 20 forever...that was by the same director we have here, come to think of it...) and lots of sweat.  Who wants to apply the oil?"

2. WUXIA BORGIAS have now been joined by WUXIA DARTH VADER.  By which I do not simply  mean "Luke, I am your father," (which I guessed in, like, episode 3) but:

WUXIA DARTH VADER:  Luke, I am your father!  Join me in my reign of darkness, terror, and oh yeah, EVIL and we will subjugate the entire world and I will hand it to you on a silver platter and you will be KING OF THE WORLD.
WUXIA LUKE SKYWALKER:  Nnnnoooo!  You aren't my father!  My father was a hero!  And is dead!  Also, I adhere to a strict heroic code to the point where I'm sometimes kind of blind to all else, and it does not allow for helping evil fathers take over the world!
WUXIA DARTH VADER:  Foolish boy!  I must teach you the true meaning or pain and suffering so that you will understand that evil and world domination is the only true way!
*insert much pain and suffering*
WUXIA LUKE SKYWALKER: ... ... Well, at least I didn't lose any of my body parts there.  If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go be emo for a bit.

3.  I am so happy that this is the kind of show where female love interests like each other (and chew out the object of mutual affection for not thinking about how his actions might hurt the other) and team up to go rescue the guy, with crossdressing, bar fights, and prison raids along the way.  Then again, it's also the kind of show where every single character is totally fine with the fact that Ling Shuang figuratively "wears the pants" in any room she's in, and has generals for BFFs.

4.  I think they just made it canon that KongKong'er has a 6th "my girlfriend is within a 20 mile radius and I must go see if she needs help taking on a small army/is lonely/needs her sword polished/needs a shoulder massage/needs a message carried to the other end of China/needs my shirt thrown across a puddle in her way" sense.

In conclusion:  Ladies being awesome, WUXIA DARTH VADER, wuxia-style monomania, and gratuitous eye candy.

meganbmoore: (paladins: wuxia borgias)

First of all, I cannot decide if this is Kong Le's "Help!  I am a fastidious groomer and have not had a bath, clean clothes, or a hairbrush in weeks because I've been locked in prison!" face or his "I am the world's worst brother and will now wallow in self-hatred.  After I get a bath." face.  Or both.

 

 

Spoilers through and for ep 25 of Paladins in Troubled Times in pictures. ) 
meganbmoore: (paladins: yan yu/mo le: pre-angstplosion)
The picspam I threatened earlier.  Uhm...much bigger than intended, all from eps 9-24.  The pics are fairly decently sorted into characters and character combinations, with no context say for what you can glean from the subtitles.

Though those can be INTERESTINGLY AND INAPPROPRIATELY MISLEADING OUT OF CONTEXT.  Observe:

 

  



 

lots and lots and lots of caps )
meganbmoore: (paladins: yan yu/mo le: pre-angstplosion)
A question of grave import: Why is it that all the strapping young men in this show have their hair at least partly pulled back, yet they STILL have bangs flapping in their faces. Is having hair that flutters in the wind indoors that vital? (The proper answer: YES. Also, I find it hilarious that while the men are running around with hair fluttering in the wind and getting in their faces, all the women have their hair tightly bound up and out of the way.)

Also, if I'm to believe almost every wuxia I've seen, China never had a single competent ruler.


WUXIA BORGIAS. And other things. )
I still feel the need to picspam this show, and should get right on that.
meganbmoore: (ww: diana artemis)

So, apparently the Wonder Woman TV show has been axed.

Sigh.  I was sooooooooooooo looking forward to mocking it and totally-not-secretly loving it.

Also, dear reviewer:  No one objected to the costume because they thought it played down the US patriotism and possibly referenced *horrors* her actual Greek mythology origins.  They hated it because it was tacky.

Also, I understand the Vampire Diaries finale was as awful as feared, if not moreso.

I have been watching 99.9% non-ragey wuxia* with nice men, Women Doing Things, and no rape apologism or wanting us to want a woman to throw her abuser a bone.

I feel my evening was more enjoyable.  Except for that WW bit.


*Dear Paladins in Troubled Times, if a guy has been hanging around ridiculously smitten for months, I don't think he was spending all his time going "Gosh, it would be so much better if she wore makeup and pretty dresses and did something with her hair..." so there's really no reason for a woman who's wardrobe and hairstyle have been relentlessly practical for 20 eps to suddenly go around more "traditionally girly" in her dress after 20 episodes just because she's starting to fall in love, even if her personality and actions thankfully haven't changed.
 

ETA: Scene just after I posted:

(paraphrasing)

WUXIA CESARE BORGIA (who is not the dude mentioned above):  Man, it's so hard to get married when you're in love with a heroine who won't give you the time of day.
WUXIA CESARE BORGIA'S CREEPY SIDEKICK:  Dude, my buddy was telling me about this drug that totally makes women all sweet and docile and they'll do whatever you want.
WUXIA CESARE BORGIA:  I'm sorry, I don't think I heard you right.  Did you just suggest that I rape the woman I love?
CREEPY SIDEKICK:  OMG DON'T KILL MEEEEEEE!
WUXIA CESARE BORGIA:  Be quiet, I have to resume my Machiavellian schemes to take over China.  Hey, where's my beloved sister who the hero is conveniently in love with, anyway?

In case you don't believe me:

 


 

meganbmoore: (paladins: courting according to kongkong)

So, I was going to have a nice, big picspam, but am having trouble uploading the pictures. It went something along the lines of “Women are badass, Tae is a dork, hair flutters in the wind when inside, and people in pretty clothes stare at each other angstily and for a variety of reasons, and everyone has that unique brand of upbringing where trying to kill each other/the other’s commander is a common courtship ritual.”

Actually, that’s basically the plot, once you throw in villains who think they’re Cesare Borgia and protagonists who are sometimes borderline sociopaths due to being basically good people raised by bad people, and so having no real moral compass for a while. (This is changing.)

The last few cdramas/wuxias I’ve watched haven’t really been “proper” wuxias, and so I forgot how wuxia makes me like all sorts I normally don’t. Like how straightup “enemies as lovers” rarely works for me outside of certain historical periods, but works for me 99% of the time in wuxia. I think I actually get disappointed if it happens and they don’t stab each other at least once.


spoilers )In short, China, please adapt more of Liang Yu Sheng’s stuff to series and movies, because I’ve liked every one I’ve seen so far.
meganbmoore: (borgias: lucrezia/giulia)
29 x The Borgias
60 x Damages
62 x Paladins in Troubled Times
62 x South Riding
68 x Upstairs Downstairs 2010
63 x The Vampire Diaries

   
  

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meganbmoore: (flz: mue: looking)

It has occurred to me that wuxia heroes have it very bad when it comes to women. I mean, to start with, the girls are always going to have good hair and gorgeous clothes, and if the guys are lucky, the wig isn’t horrendous and the clothes are half as nice. But really all these boys raised on islands/mountains/in caves never know if the girls they’re making googoo eyes at are the girl they were betrothed to at birth, the girl their best friend was betrothed to at birth, their long-lost sister, their enemy’s sister, daughter or betrothed, secretly a kung fu master, or a princess in disguise. Or a combination of at least half the above. Then, if they decide to just swear off heterosexual love forever, their short, slender new friend with nice hair and a lot of makeup says that there’s something he’s been meaning to tell him.

Anyway, Paladins in Troubled Times is about Tie Mo Le, who’s traveling with his foster father to meet his uncle (of the “Dad’s BFF” variety) when they get involved in a bar brawl between the crossdressing martial artist Ling Shuang and the henchmen of Wang Kong’le (Who fights with a fan!), who is in turn the henchman of An Lu Shan. When Mo Le meets his uncle, Duan Fei, he learns that his father, Duan Fei, and another guy were bestest buddies forever and when Mo Le was a few years old, the other two friends had a son and daughter born on the same night, and the babies were immediately betrothed. Then An Lu Shan attacked and everyone but Duan Fei, his wife, and Mo Le were killed. Naturally, Mo Le must have vengeance. Cue adventures and betrayals and fights and cute thief girls and such.

There’s a lot of politics, but they’re introduced as they relate to Mo Le and his companions, instead of tons of it being dumped on the viewer at once. Mo Le is…not unlikable, but less interesting than most of the other characters, and not nearly as smart or clever as he thinks he is. I like him, but have to poke fun at him a lot. Also, while he has yet to actually realize that the women are way smarter and more badass than he is, he has no apparent issues at all with the fact that both Ling Shuang and Yan Yu are better fighters than he is, or that they rescue him a lot. (This is wuxia, so I sure he’ll end up the ultimate badass of the show and all, but I’m enjoying it for now.) Also, his reaction to Ling Shuang was basically “Oh, you’re a girl who dresses like a boy? And fights really well? Whatevs. Buddies?”

Ling Shuang is an interesting case of wuxia crossdressing for me because I think she’s the first one I’ve encountered who actually isn’t trying to pass for a boy, but dresses that way because it’s more comfortable and practical for her lifestyle, and not everyone goes “oh, boy” when they see her. This is also the closest to convincing wuxia crossdressing I’ve encountered. Which is to say, she still looks like a girl, but I can buy people used to strictly gendercoded wardrobes making the mistake at first glance. But her clothing is stark and practical, her hair is tightly bound, and she wears little makeup. No soft colored robes, gently flowing hair, or makeup that accentuates her femininity here. Though, she may want to reconsider, as crossdressing here seems to make you a villain magnet. First, Wang Kong’le hits on her every time they meet (it basically goes: Wang Kong’le: “Greetings, fair damsel! I realize I’m attempting to lop your head off with my fan right now, but perhaps later you’d consider a discrete courtship followed by lots of sex?” Ling Shuang: “…Why are the nice ones obliviously into thieves?”) and then there’s KongKong’er who…is introduced working with Wang Kong’le, but isn’t bad so much as he doesn’t seem to have much of a concept of actions having consequences and thinking things out before you jump in, so he does things like go “Sure buddy! I’ll duel a legendary hero for you so you can take over the island fortress he’s protecting! No questions asked!” Hopefully, he’ll clear future alliances with Ling Shuang. Anyway, I’m sure those two will have much “Our Love Cannot Be!” and then learn that they’re the supposedly dead babies who were betrothed at birth and so all other problems will go away. Incidentally, KongKong’er is Tae with a steel umbrella and awful hair. I think they took Bobby Dou’s hair from Sword Stained With Royal Blood, added a few tangled, and plopped it on his head.

Anyway, the series is of the “wirefu and fluttering hair” variety and has lots of excellent fights. The kind where people actually take each other on up close and personal, as opposed to the “Martial Arts Move At Least Six Words Long And Includes Animal, Verb and Adjective And Sends Opponents Flying Away After Two Sword Swipes” variety, and it reminds me a lot of both Sword Stained With Royal Blood and Patriotic Knights, both of which I am quite fond.

The show basically “Serious plot with a side of angst and cute. Serious plot with a side of angst and cute. Serious plot with…HOLY MOLEY UBER ANGSTPLOSION OF EPIC DOOM! But there’s still cute, too.)

Spoiler alert!

spoilers )And now, a non-spoilery picspam. I wanted to include more of the fights, but most of those caps were blurry.

pics )
meganbmoore: (when princesses grow fangs)

My nephews are here so I'm not around as much and my fictional life is dominated by a 4 year old.  I was almost subjected to the Hulk movie with Eric Bana and Jennifer Connelly, but he apparently thought it was the (way more fun) one with Ed Norton and Liv Tyler, so it's The Incredibles instead.  (Also, uhm...we may have watch an ep of the Ben Ten series when they're teens and I may have liked it.)

I have, however, made it through ep 3 of Paladins in Troubled Times. I shall post properly on it later, but meanwhile, it has this:


 

Context:  She is a thief he came across while breaking into a house (the owner's flunkies abducted his aunt and he's looking for her) and didn't want to tell her why, so they made a bargain that he'd tell her if she picked up something that he couldn't.  (She does not have superpowers, it hurt.  But she got what she wanted.)

Meanwhile, Fan Dude and Crossdressing Girl may indulge my wuxia heroine/villain kink-this is a kink almost exclusive to wuxia.  If not, I may have to go through the Trauma of rewatching Face to Fate.  And by "Trauma" I mean *overeager shoujo sparkles*.

Incidentally, I understand that the book this is based on was written by the same person who wrote the book that Bride With White Hair is based on.
meganbmoore: (when princesses grow fangs)

After bouncing off several wuxias in a row,  think I've finally found one that clicks.  I know nothing about the plot of this series so I'm not entirely certain what to expect and, like a lot of wuxia, the first ep has a lot of political setup.  But we already have a crossdressing heroine taking on a band of thugs in a tavern and on a secret mission, and a villain whose weapon of choice is a fan.  Uhm...his hair and clothes are similar enough to the hero's that I was confused when he first shwed up.  By which I mean "wait, weren't you sweeter and more naive and more conventionally goodlooking just a minute ago?  Oh, you're someone else."  Speaking of the hero, Victor Huang seems to be a good actor and all but, uhm, dude is older than me and looks it.  Hero is supposed to be closer to 20, I think.  (Maybe this is one of those that spans years and years?)

Anyway, no idea what the plot is aside from "young hero raised in seclusion runs headlong into politics, villains and ladies" but it looks entertaining  I bounced off the new Heavenly Sword and Dragon Sabre, but like the other two Xhang Ji Zhong productions I've seen, Return of the Condor Heroes and Sword Stained With Royal Blood.  (Most recent versions of all three.)  It has plenty of hair fluttering in the wind while indoors already, and is visually along the lines of SSWRB.  By which I mean less FX and near-supernatural/outright-supernatural martial arts and more muted visuals with grea clothes and buildings and...not more realistic moves, necessarily, but wirefu instead of major FX.  Opening and closing credits promise much melodrama and Potential Epic Doom.  (I decided I was in the mood for extreme wuxia melodrama and Potential Epic Doom and considered Bi Chun Mu, but while I don't have an aversion to plots in which most of the cast ends up dead, I didn't feel like taking on one where the leads die inthe opening scene.)

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